RE: Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / digital pH meter.

Thank you

On 11 Sep 2008 at 17:45, Darren Lloyd wrote:

From:           	"Darren Lloyd" <Darren@ferntastic.com>
To:             	<ferns@hort.net>
Subject:        	RE: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / 
digital pH   
  	meter.
Date sent:      	Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:45:44 -0700
Send reply to:  	ferns@hort.net

> Wendy,
> 
> Probably the best person to contact would be Barry White of The Fern Society
> of Victoria.
> 
> E-mail: barry_white1@msn.com.au
> 
> Telephone: (03) 9740 2724
> 
> Please let me know if I can be of any further help.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ferns@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Milton
> Edwards
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:49 PM
> To: ferns@hort.net
> Subject: RE: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / digital pH meter.
> 
> victoria
> 
> On 11 Sep 2008 at 16:43, Darren Lloyd wrote:
> 
> From:           	"Darren Lloyd" <Darren@ferntastic.com>
> To:             	<ferns@hort.net>
> Subject:        	RE: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / 
> digital pH   
>   	meter.
> Date sent:      	Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:43:51 -0700
> Send reply to:  	ferns@hort.net
> 
> > Hello Wendy,
> > 
> > I saw an earlier post from your son on the Yahoo Tree Fern Group today.
> May
> > I express my condolences on your husband passing.
> > 
> > Where in Australia are you?
> > 
> > 
> > Darren
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ferns@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
> Milton
> > Edwards
> > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:33 PM
> > To: ferns@hort.net
> > Subject: RE: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / digital pH
> meter.
> > 
> > Hello Darren
> > My name is Wendy Edwards, my husband Milton Edwards has an igloo with 
> > ferns and spores that he is growing on. He has a lot, and he has just 
> > passed away, I need to get rid of them all.  Are you able to help me 
> > or know of someone who could,
> > Thanks
> > Wendy
> > 
> > On 11 Sep 2008 at 13:17, Darren Lloyd wrote:
> > 
> > From:           	"Darren Lloyd" <Darren@ferntastic.com>
> > To:             	<ferns@hort.net>
> > Subject:        	RE: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / 
> > digital pH   
> >  	meter.
> > Date sent:      	Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:17:56 -0700
> > Send reply to:  	ferns@hort.net
> > 
> > > Jim,
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your reply!
> > > 
> > > This is great information. My current "quick and dirty" soil pH test is
> > with
> > > a Rapitest meter, which is rather reminiscent of the VU meter on a
> 1970's
> > > cassette deck.
> > > 
> > > I had no idea that the margin of error was potentially so high with a
> > > digital meter when testing soil...
> > > 
> > > So thank you, I'll try pH papers (and hopefully save some money too).
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Darren
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ferns@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
> > James
> > > Downer
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:36 AM
> > > To: ferns@hort.net
> > > Subject: RE: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / digital pH
> > meter.
> > > 
> > > Darren,
> > >  Measruement of pH in soils is difficult with really good instruements.
> > > Hydrogen ions (protons) are in equilibrium with hydroxyl ions in water
> and
> > > the concnetration of water in soils affects this, as the protons are
> > > interacting with other salts as soils are wetted and dried.  So under
> the
> > > best circumstances (read top dollar lab equipment) error of .5 of a pH
> > unit
> > > is to be expected. With inexpensive probes or uncalibrated field
> equipment
> > I
> > > would expect much greater errors.  In the end, you may be best off
> making
> > a
> > > quick saturation paste and using pH papers.
> > > 
> > > JIM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dr. Jim Downer
> > > University of California Cooperative Extension
> > > 669 County Square Drive, Suite 100
> > > Ventura CA, 93003
> > > 805-645-1458
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ferns@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
> > Darren
> > > Lloyd
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:27 AM
> > > To: ferns@hort.net
> > > Subject: RE: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / digital pH
> > meter.
> > > 
> > > Hello Sue,
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your reply!
> > > 
> > > My spore technique so far has been "panning" for spore using a clean
> white
> > > sheet of paper with a crease down the length of it, and then trying to
> > keep
> > > the spore in the crease and tap the unwanted material off of the edges
> of
> > > the paper. This works well for small species, and in most cases it has
> > been
> > > fairly easy to separate the spore if there is not a substantial amount
> of
> > > chaff. I haven't tried using camera lens cleaning tissue yet, but I most
> > > certainly will!
> > > 
> > > However, last year someone was kind enough to give me three large fronds
> > > from their Cyathea cooperi, as I wanted the spore to donate to fern
> > > societies, etc. Anyway, it took me the best part of a day to try
> > separating
> > > the spore from the chaff, and after a lot of work I certainly ended up
> > with
> > > a large amount of spore but it was not as clean as I would have liked.
> So
> > > next time around I will try using a sieve for tree fern spore first.
> > > 
> > > Everyone seems to be using their regular home refrigerator for storing
> > their
> > > spore.
> > > 
> > > My question would be how do you deal with the humidity? Is it sufficient
> > to
> > > seal the spore in say zip-lock bag placed in an air tight container?
> > > 
> > > There is also the danger that my 'Cyathea rather-rareii' will be thrown
> > out
> > > with last week's cilantro :-)
> > > 
> > > My wife is not particularly happy with the beneficial nematodes which
> have
> > > taken up residence in the fridge....
> > > 
> > > I'm still looking into the digital pH meter. Affordable ones certainly
> > > exist, but so far none with a soil probe as far as I can tell.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Darren
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ferns@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
> Sue
> > > Olsen
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:10 PM
> > > To: ferns@hort.net
> > > Subject: Re: [ferns] Spore sieve(s) / spore refrigerator / digital pH
> > meter.
> > > 
> > > Hi Darren,
> > > I don't think you need a sieve for your spores. If you put your spore
> > > collection on a piece of white paper and carefully tip it and tap it so
> > that
> > > the chaff falls off and spores remain you should have a good indication
> of
> > > whether or not you have spores and if you do they should be ready to put
> > > into culture. I do know that some propagators have used camera lens
> > cleaning
> > > paper successfully, but I don't find it necessary. I will add that a
> > > microscope helps in that I have received packets of "spores" that are
> > > nothing but chaff. A glance under the scope will determine whether or
> not
> > > spores are present and ready for sowing. 
> > > As for a special refrigerator.....any fridge will do. I've stored spores
> > > successfully on the door shelf of our refrigerator for years. (Once upon
> a
> > > time we also stored lady bugs in the refrigerator but that "bugged" our
> > baby
> > > sitters!) Obviously if you are dealing with green spores they won't last
> > > long in any refrigerator, although they will survive in a frozen state.
> > > Don't have info on a digital pH meter. It sounds like a much better
> option
> > > than the tests I've used so I hope there will be some suggestions from
> > > others on the list.
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > Sue Olsen
> > > Bellevue, WA
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:43:20 -0700 "Darren Lloyd"
> <Darren@ferntastic.com>
> > > writes:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > I have a few fern related question please:
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 1) I'm planning to purchase a sieve/sieves for processing my spore. 
> > > > Does
> > > > anyone have any recommendations as to the mesh size(s) best suited for
> 
> > > > the task?
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 2) I'm also thinking of purchasing a small spore refrigerator. Does 
> > > > anyone have any recommendations in this regard?
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 3) I'm also looking for an inexpensive digital pH meter with a soil 
> > > > probe, but haven't managed to find one yet.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Darren
> > > > 
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