Re: pyracanthas/now mahonia

Hi Pam--Glad to hear that you haven't forgotten about the cannas.  As the
only parent of a teenage daughter, I am so used to the phrase "I forgot",
that I seem to think everyone thinks that way.  Rich in Z-5, where for some
reason it will be 65 degrees today, and 28 degrees tomorrow.  I'm going to
water the gardens again today!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] pyracanthas/now mahonia


> It's kin to the Oregon grape holly but does better in clay. Though my
> mahonia aquifolium is doing well after 4 years in way amended clay in
> shade w/ a twice-yearly top dressing of lava sand to keep the soil from
> reverting to concrete. Leatherleaf (mahonia bealei) gets 5-7' tall and
> 3-5' wide as a rule. They get pretty big here. They also need a less
> water than their more well known cousin. Which is dandy, because where
> I'm putting this, it won't get much supplemental water at all once it's
> established (by fall). And the soil is not amended where it's going,
> though I've had a clump of orange cannas there this year to loosen the
> soil a bit. Those are getting dug up for Rich come March and replaced w/
> this. Cannas grow great but don't bloom so much in shade. And I need
> something evergreen in this spot to block that ugly auction next door.
> They get the same yellow flowers and pretty blue berries for my birdies.
> It will be just out of reach of Sugar's tether, so they'll be safe. This
> is a most excellent shrub. Been promising myself one for years. If any
> of my viburnums along the tree line don't make it - this is what they'll
> be replaced w/. You gotta have a contingency plan when you garden in
> clay.
>
> I'm getting mine from Forest Farm, but I'm sure other vendors carry
> them, though Oregon isn't too awfully far from you. They have great
> stuff, but paying the shipping out here is ugh! Does that help??
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Theresa- yahoo" <tchessie@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date:  Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:50:04 -0800
>
> >HI Pam- I'm not familiar with "leatherleaf" mahonia- how large to that
get?
> >
> >Theresa
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> >Behalf Of Pamela J. Evans
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:13 AM
> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] pyracanthas
> >
> >
> >Good girl. Would hate to see you get a bad infection there. Just as well
> >we can't grow them I suspect. I did however order myself a leatherleaf
> >mahonia for a shady spot that needed something. Only the leaves are
> >picky on those! More berries for my birdies and these shrubs actually do
> >well in clay. What a concept!
> >
> >BTW - your pics are fabulous.  Really!
> >
> >Pam
> >
> >---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >From: "Theresa- yahoo" <tchessie@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >Date:  Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:44:42 -0800
> >
> >>I agree that they thorns are lethal- it just barely pricked my finger
and
> >it
> >>is still sore and a bit swollen- I'm sure i will survive and next time I
> >>will take the extra effort to put on a pair of gloves.
> >>
> >>Theresa
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> >>Behalf Of Pamela J. Evans
> >>Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:11 PM
> >>To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>Subject: RE: [CHAT] pyracanthas
> >>
> >>
> >>Theresa - be careful of those thorns, they can be toxic. Howard Garrett
> >>(aka the Dirt Doctor) calls them "lethal" (his words). Cotton root rot
> >>has killed many of them in this part of the state, so I don't have any.
> >>
> >>Cotton was king here for many years, and the root rot organism remains.
It
> >>takes out red tip photinias too.
> >>So I don't plant any cotton relatives or things that are suseptible to
> >>the same diseases. Once something gets in this black clay - it stays
> >>there for a long time apparently.
> >>
> >>
> >>Pam
> >>
> >>
> >>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >>From: "Theresa- yahoo" <tchessie@yahoo.com>
> >>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>Date:  Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:01:00 -0800
> >>
> >>>Thanks- I can look forward to flowers this year then!  This will be the
> >2nd
> >>>winter that I've had them and they are really filling in nicely.
> >>>
> >>>Theresa
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> >>>Behalf Of Janet Laytham
> >>>Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:24 AM
> >>>To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>Subject: Re: [CHAT] lenten rose< patience and winter chores
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Theresa,
> >>>Pyracantha blooms on old wood.  In the spring I cut  the branches that
> >>>bloomed the previous winter.
> >>>Janet
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>on 01/05/2003 10:46 PM, Theresa- yahoo at tchessie@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks- I will be patient then- and a glass of wine sounds quite nice
> >>>right
> >>>> now.  I finished putting my summer veggiebed to bed for winter this
AM.
> >>>> Ripped out the last 2 tomoto plants and a couple of the pepper.  Cut
2
> >>>> peppers back, we will see if they return in spring.  Piled the rest
of
> >>the
> >>>> leaves on the bed, trimmed the bottlebrush back (seems like I do this
> >>>every
> >>>> 3 months it grows like a weed), also trimmed the pyracantha (still
> >>shaping
> >>>> it to grow on a trellis) and managed to poke myself with one of the
> >>>thorns.
> >>>> Those things HURT!  My finger is still sore and red in that spot.  By
> >the
> >>>> way, does anyone know if pyracantha blooms on old or new growth??
Oh,
> >>and
> >>>> some of my bulbs are starting to come up!
> >>>>
> >>>> Theresa
> >>>> Sac, Ca zone 8-9
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> >>>> Behalf Of Gene Bush
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 12:27 PM
> >>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Questions...nursery, ornamec, and lenten rose
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Theresa,
> >>>> Probably maturity is the issue. After germination most hellebores
take 3
> >>>> to 4 years before first bloom. Look much better at 5 years of age
with a
> >>>few
> >>>> eyes to the crown. Most nurseries only carry the seedlings into the
> >>second
> >>>> year and then sell. That leaves you with 2 or more years to go before
> >>>bloom.
> >>>> My suggestion is to have another glass of good wine and move on to
the
> >>>next
> >>>> perennial on your list. Next year you certainly should see some buds.
> >>>> Gene E. Bush
> >>>> Munchkin Nursery & Gardens, llc
> >>>> www.munchkinnursery.com
> >>>> genebush@munchkinnursery.com
> >>>> Zone 6/5  Southern Indiana
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> OK- why haven't my hellebores bloomed?  This is the second winter
I've
> >>>had
> >>>>> them and there is not indication that they are even thinking of
> >>blooming.
> >>>> I
> >>>>> have no idea what variety they are, I have 3 plants in different
> >places-
> >>>2
> >>>>> with much shade, 1 in light shade.  Any suggestions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Theresa
> >>>
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> >>Kemp TX/zone 8A
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