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Re: OT-Reverse sexism?!

Janet: Way to go!!!! Even married women have this problem, though...a
few years ago, when I bought my first minivan, one that I had found,
test drove, arranged the financing for, etc. the car dealership filled
out all the paperwork with my husband listed as the primary owner. I was
so mad, but I patiently explained to the salesman that I was signing
nothing until all of the paperwork was done correctly, with my name as
the primary owner, etc. The owner of the dealership came out to the
salesman's office and said this was common practice when a married
couple bought a vehicle and ...I didn't even give him a chance to
finish...just told him that if he wanted to sell this van to this
married couple he would do as I asked without any further excuses...I
think sometimes it is easy to forget that if women do not have credit in
their own name, then if something happens to their husbands (divorce,
death, etc) then the woman is basically a non-entity for some time

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Tue 01/28, Janet Laytham < jw.laytham@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
From: Janet Laytham [mailto: jw.laytham@worldnet.att.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:17:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [CHAT] OT-Reverse sexism?!

About 5 years ago I re-financed, and when the bank presented me with the
papers, the form was full of masculine pronouns: it assumed that the
mortgagee was a single male, I guess.  So, I started at the top and crossed
out all the "he, his, him" references and replaced each with the appropriate
feminine pronoun . It took me 10 minutes to get half way through, so I
finally stopped and announced to the loan officer that I had probably made
my point.

When I returned to the bank a few days later, the loan officer (a woman)
said her management had been very upset and berated her for letting me do
it.  They were afraid the county clerk wouldn't accept the deed.  I replied
that the clerk was probably a woman.  Of course it was filed and accepted.

I wonder if that bank still uses that form?

on 01/28/2003 6:06 PM, Kitty Morrissy at kmrsy@earthlink.net wrote:

> Jim, 
> I guess what I should have said was that understood their use of the term,
> but didn't agree with it.
> I remember in the late 70s a friend of mine, a pilot, lost out on a job to
> a woman who had a lot less flying time.  They said they had to hire women.
> I don't agree with that.  I also had a husband who refused to tip waiters;
> didn't want to "encourage them to stay in that line of work" because he
> wanted to be waited on by a cute girl.  (I always left the guy a nice big
> tip)
> I also resent the refusal to use the title Ms.  A salesperson called and
> referred to me as Mrs. Morrissy, I told her I'm not married and that it was
> bad form to assume I was.  She said she was instructed to use only Mrs.  I
> resent this - as if single people don't count.  Then I received a Cemetery
> service offering through my church, addressed to Kitty Morrissy.  All 3
> pages of the letter described everything offered as being conditioned on
> the purchase of 2 plots, vaults, urns, whatever.  I called to tell them
> that this is exceptionally rude marketing, and were I interested in such
> services, I would definitely shop elsewhere.
> Why don't single people count?
> Kitty
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Island Jim <jsinger@igc.org>
>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> Date: 1/28/2003 4:45:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] now plant clubs- Reverse sexism?!
>> you're right of course, kitty. but at risk of being a sexist, i think the
>> women who have carried the torch against sexist behavior by men against
>> women have cozened the word as their own with only their definition as
>> acceptable.
>> i think that's why when cooler heads [or both sexes] joined the
> discussion, 
>> reverse sexism came to be used as the other kind.
>> At 06:27 AM 1/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>>> I have to ask this qstn. The subject line has been bugging me. What do
>>> you mean by reverse sexism? Being sexist is the same abhorant behavior
>>> whether it is a preference of male over female or female over male.
>>> Reverse sexism then would be the opposite; no preference, wouldn't it?
>>> Kitty

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