Viburnum Cassinoides

Kitty,

And yes, there are 75-80 (and perhaps more) species in the genus Cassine, but when Linnaeus named V. cassinoides, there were far fewer.

Josh


----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
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In the one book I have by Stearn, Botanical Latin Fourth Edition, Alfred Rehder is mentioned once. Googling shows he had something to do with the Arnold Arboretum, perhaps headed it, and an article on CA Weatherby indicates Rehder was appointed as a member of the International Committee on the Nomenclature of Vascular Plants, possibly in the 40s. So, yes, I'd bet he would have been some help in this.

Re> had only two
species listed in the genus Cassine (at least that's what I see in my index,
My RHS index lists 8 species if Cassine (darn! I wish we could use italics so I could distinguish between the common name Cassine which indicates your Ilex, and the botanicla Latin name Cassine), but also says that Cassine is a genus of about ten times that number, or c80, of species of trubs and trees.


neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
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Kitty,

Good questions, and I'll try to delve further next week. But the short answer is: that is what Stearn says ("Cassinoides -- Resembling Ilex cassine") and he knows more about plant names than anyone else I'm aware of. He's probably right since Linnaeus named Ilex cassine, and had only two species listed in the genus Cassine (at least that's what I see in my index, but I'll check it out to be sure). I agree that he may not be referring to the leaves, but I was responding to Cathy's suggestion that the reference might be to the leaves. I don't see the resemblance, but could be wrong, or it may be referring to another feature, and if so I'd be interested to know what it is. The more I look into these questions, the more I am surprised that there is so little information available about the derivation of plant names. If only Rehder were still around!


Josh Haskell

Ohio -- Zone 5


----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
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So Josh, how would one know what Linneaus and his buds meant by the species name, cassinoides? Yes, it means Cassine-like, but how are we to know whether it resembles the genus, Cassine, or as in your citing, a species called cassine, within another genus? Or did they also mean that Ilex cassine also looks like the genus, Cassine, and just didn't feel like adding -oides, or even -folia?

Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
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Cathy,

Viburnum cassinoides -- That's right; leaves like Cassine, Ilex cassine (Common name: Dahoon), but I am not at all sure the resemblance is that accurate. If anyone has input on that, I'd love to hear it.

Josh Haskell
Ohio -- Zone 5
Lurking, but still around


----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Carpenter" <cathy.c@insightbb.com>
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Have no idea, since I have never seen a Cassine, but venturing a
guess, V. cassinoides might have leaves resembling it.

Cathy, west central IL, z5b

On Jul 20, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Kitty wrote:


Viburnum cassinoides - Appalachian Tea Tree or Withe Rod
Any -oides catches my attention and I was curious just what this V
resembled.  One book said Cassine-like; but what's Cassine?
There's Cassia and Cassinia, and then I saw Cassine - a genus of 80
evergreen shrubs or trees.  I wonder which Cassine your Viburnum
resembles.  Since they are zone 10, I suppose only Jim would know.

Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Carpenter"
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Nothing here... same old story - rain north, south, and east of us,
but not a drop here. (Not that I want the storms St. Louis and
Chicago are having, but wet would be nice.) So I'm dragging the hose
around today. Heat index may be as high as 115. They say there may be
a cool down on Saturday, but don't give us more than a 40% chance of
rain in the "forecastible" future. (Around here, 40% generally = 0)
Have to pass along my most recent experience with Arborvillage
Nursery in Missouri. I'd ordered a number of shrubs in the spring.
They arrived in good shape, but the small V. cassinoides died less
than a week after planting. I called the nursery and explained the
situation. They said they would replace it, and I added a
'Winterthur' viburnum to the order. The two plants arrived promptly,
but no invoice, so I waited for my credit card statement.
Arborvillage did not charge me - not for shipping, not for the
replacement, not for the additional plant! Now that is customer
service. (I do order from them regularly, but still...)
The second cassinoides did well, but yesterday it was decapitated by
(probably) a rabbit.... sigh.... Guess I'll do a different native
viburnum for my fall order.

Cathy, west central IL, z5b

On Jul 20, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Donna wrote:

I have been involved with 2 twisters and 1 microburst already in my
life... not looking forward to any more :(

I know the signs, know the sounds, so I am luckier than most....

Doubt any will hit here unless a new system comes thru... you and
Kitty
(and maybe others?) are the ones that front might cause damage
too...


Still raining buckets here. Nope, no basement, lotsa windows in my
office, but I could high tail it to the warehouse in back- cinder
block
building.


Donna

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Keep an ear to the radio, Donna. Some twisters give very little
notice.
Does your building have a nice basement for refuge or at least a few
interior rooms without glass?

Blessings,
Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)

-----Original Message-----
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Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:31 AM
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raining here today.... wish I could share with those who need it,
we all
need it, but why buckets worth? Do we really need that light show
to go
with? Street infront of work is once again flooded. sigh.


Anyways, as I was driving into work, the sky is really scary....
reminds me
of a twister forming. Not established enough here, but those to the
south- southeast... watch it... stay safe...


Hopefully if it does form, it will touch down in some remote field.

Donna

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