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Re: hybrids

That recipe sounds delicious, Bonnie. I can't wait to try it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] hybrids

I can't think of any hybrid owner I know who doesn't love their car. Zem,
there is a great deal of choice out there. It doesn't hurt to check out all
the options, especially when those options can have a very positive effect
for the environment and for our oil dependency.

Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On Behalf
Of Zemuly Sanders
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:58 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] hybrids

My neighbor has a 2004 Prius, and he consistently gets 58 mpg. It's my
understanding that, around here anyway, the wait is due entirely to demand.
I've heard Toyota is building new plants to make more. In the meantime
there is the Toyota Yaris that is not a hybrid but does get around 38 mpg,
and it lists from $10k to about $13k. There is a wait in getting delivery
on them, too. I know because I went to the Toyota dealer to look at one.
I'm not getting a new car for a while, but I'm definitely getting something
with more than the 20 mpg I'm getting now when I do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] hybrids

if it cost $6000 more, would you still go for it?
I'm sure the wait has more to do with the mfgr holding back on
production rather than demand being so high, ohterwise they'd increase
production to sell more cars.  I think they'd hold back, if indeed
they are being subsidized.  They're doing just enough to prove they
are actually trying, but not enough to prove they don't need to be
I think I'd be interested in one down the road after I get my 300,000
miles out of my Suzuki, if they come down to a price I could afford.

neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eva Tompkins LaBonte" <evatesq@gmail.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] hybrids

What Bonnie said is 100% right on.  The Prius totally rocks.  It is
THE best car on the market, IMHO.  Like Bonnie, I also bought it to
"walk the walk".

I have no problems with power -- the car is pretty "zippy" and I have
no problem taking hills or speeding up real fast to get on the
highway. (The parkways in Long Island have ridiculously short
entrance ramps, so you have to be able to haul _ss to get on the
parkway without getting killed.)

I am getting approximately 45-50 mpg right now and I am not stingy
with the AC.  In the winter, the mileage is less, approximately 36-44

I am at the end of my lease of a 2003.  I have not had one single
mechanical problem with the car.  I have also kept up with the
regular maintenance schedule, which is service every 7500 miles, not
every 3000 miles.

I am getting a new Prius for sure.  The new Prius (2004 and later
get even better mileage -- they say 55-60 mpg, and they are really
cool and gadety, with Bluetooth technology for wireless cell phone
use, and a push button start, etc.  If you get the navigation system
(which I will), you get a back up camera that comes on when you put
the car in reverse so you can see what's behind you while you're
backing up.

I don't know why they say the cars wouldn't sell.  The demand, here,
is such that you nearly always have to wait to get a Prius.  Very
few, if any, are ever available to buy and drive off the lot.  I
ordered the new Prius and expect to have to wait two months before it
comes in.  I see alot of Priuses on the road too.

My two cents.  I laugh at the fools filling up their Hummers at the
gas station.


On 7/30/06, Bonnie & Bill Morgan <wmorgan972@ameritech.net> wrote:

We need to hear from Eva on this too.

I have had my Prius since 2000. We too bought it to walk the walk.
(We were also among the first to try a rotary engine as well when
they came out as a cleaner burning engine.) Even though the engine
is smaller and the electric motor is not terribly large, when you
couple the two up for a burst of speed or sustained speed, you don't
get any lag. You just GO as fast and as quick as any other car on
the road. They do NOT lack power. Anyone who has ever given one a
proper test can tell you they will get up and go if you kick the gas
pedal. Just like every other gas powered vehicle, your mileage will
go down. I get 40-50mpg right now in mixed driving. Now that isn't
as good as what was initially advertised when we bought the car, but
it is still a good deal better than anyone else we know is getting
for their $3.00 per gallon. If I go highway all the way and fairly
level road conditions, I get better mileage. If I do in-town
driving, low speeds, I also get higher mpg. Although it pulls hills
(as when we went through the mountains) without any trouble, it
costs mileage to do so (though not as much as a conventionally
powered car.) It all depends on where the testing is done as to
whether you get the same mileage. We've had a number of
conventionally powered cars that didn't get the mileage they were
purported to get.
of that is due to topography, part to climate and part to driving
style. It is no different with a hybrid.

As for the market for them, nobody driving the luxury vehicles can
really complain about the pricing. It is more difficult for lower
income folks to get into one for certain, but the market IS there or
there wouldn't be so many hybrids on back order. My Prius is
guaranteed 100,000 miles on the power train and many competitive gas
powered vehicles don't do that.
know a lot of conventionally powered vehicles that haven't made it
to 100,000 miles, period. The story is still out on how long you
can keep one running. We are just nearing 80,000.00 but we are not
seeing any problems other than the occasional burned out light bulb.

If there were any way DH and I could afford another hybrid today, we
would purchase it in a heart beat! It is quiet. It is CLEAN/GREEN
with emissions so low, the locals don't even test for them anymore
on a Prius. (Our first time through, they took forever trying to
get something to register on their meters and they kept trying to
re-start it when the gasoline engine shut down and it was just
running on the electric motor.) I imagine we'll be looking for
something to replace DH's car when I can find work again.

There are Prius and other hybrid web-sites. You might want to go
read some of the comments from other consumers. I think you would
be pleasantly
surprised. Besides, the hybrid industry is relatively new. I look for
magnitudes of improvements to make them even more efficient in the
Just in the few years we've had our hybrid, great strides have been
made in mileage and other features.

I'd like to know what kinds of vehicles the authors of the research
and the author of the editorial drive. For many people, it seems, a
car is something very personal and tied to their

Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]
On Behalf Of Kitty
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:00 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: [CHAT] hybrids

Interesting editorial in today's paper. The author cited research
done by Reason magazine, National Geographic, CNW Marketing, Weekly
Standard magazine. NG I've heard of but I know little about the
other 3, so I wonder if you hybrid drivers might refute or agree
with the various parts of it.

"...the market doesn't support them. They may be PC, but hybrids
would get nowhere w/o govt and mfg subsidies. Car companies take
losses on the cars.
Hybrids cost about $6000 more to make than similar gas-powered cars
and consumers won't shell that out - whatever their politics - and
so buyers require the subsidies"... "..hybrids lack power..."
"They don't get near the great gas mileage we're told they do"...
"after a 2yr study on 'dust to dust' energy costs of the cars -
meaning the energy to plan, build, sell, drive, and dispose of - the
hybrids don't stack up well against gas-powered counterparts...don't
last as long - around 100,000 miles vs 300,000 for traditional
powered vehicles"

neIN, Zone 5

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