Re: grouse - new internet problems

It's called marketing - sell sell sell.  They don't make any $$$$ when they
leave a good product alone.  More's the pity.

On 7/6/09, james singer <inlandjim1@q.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah... I don't know. I think it may have to do with being cool. Apple
> turned a relatively straight-forward browser into a mostly black screen with
> huge icons of the last umpteen web pages you had visited--on the assumption,
> I suppose, that all of us ADD people want to keep going back to yesterday's
> hot iTune but can't remember how to do it. It looked more like a video game
> than a home page. Anyway, enough's enough. Firefox works just as well...
> maybe better in some ways... and it's a whole lot cleaner.
>
> And you're right about MS. It's always on the hustle... which is one of
> several reasons I went to Apple.
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Kitty wrote:
>
> Don't they test these things first?  Don't they ask people what they want
>> and don't?   Or do you suppose some hackers got hold of a beta of IE8 or
>> Safari and worked on it to make a plan to wreak havoc on it as soon as it
>> was distributed?  Paranoia, conspiracy theories.  Oh well.  I really think
>> MS likes to screw w their products just to force people to have to buy
>> something new.  I use their 2000 versions at home - mainly excel & publisher
>> and they work fine.  At work I have 2003 versions, but my supervisors have
>> 2009 versions that look and work very differently. I suppose eventually I'll
>> have those.  Why don't they leave well enough alone?
>>
>> Kitty
>> neIN, Zone 5
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] grouse - new internet problems
>>
>>
>> It must be contagious. The twinkies at Apple just updated Safari to an
>>> awful mess so after fiddling with it for a week or so, i installed
>>> Firefox. I've used it before, a couple of years ago. It's sure better
>>> than what Safari has become.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Johnson, Cyndi D Civ USAF AFMC 95 CS/
>>> SCOSI wrote:
>>>
>>> I use Firefox almost exclusively at home. We have to use IE for one
>>>> particular thing though and the IE8 upgrade messed that up, so I'm
>>>> glad
>>>> to hear how to roll it back.
>>>>
>>>> Cyndi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
>>>> Behalf Of Theresa Gannon
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:32 PM
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] grouse - new internet problems
>>>>
>>>> I've updated to the newest version of Firefox.  works great- just like
>>>> the old one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Daryl <dp2413@comcast.net>
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 3:02:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] grouse - new internet problems
>>>>
>>>> If you now have internet access, I highly recommend Firefox.
>>>> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox
>>>> I'm running 3.0.11 and it's been rock solid for me.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't have a lot of extraneous garbage to clutter it up. You can
>>>> download various add-ons to do what you need.
>>>>
>>>> There's a newer version out, but I haven't tried it, so don't have an
>>>> opinion yet. It's supposed to be faster.
>>>>
>>>> d
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:33 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] grouse - new internet problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With a little right-clicking I found an option to reset IE to the
>>>>>
>>>> factory installed settings which I expected to be IE6. It warned
>>>> against
>>>> doing this because I'd lose all sorts of settings and it couldn't be
>>>> reversed. However, it did say to use this option if your browser
>>>> becomes
>>>> inoperable. I hadn't been able to use it since yesterday through
>>>> numerous restarts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The reset seems to have worked, although rather than going back to
>>>>>
>>>> IE6, I still have IE8. But at least I am online. I have a couple of
>>>> items selling on ebay today so I need access. Time to go looking for
>>>> another browser. I noticed I have Netscape setup.exe, created Jan 2006
>>>> on my computer. Would that be a good one to use?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kitty
>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] grouse - new internet problems
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim's suggestion looks imperative but impossible now.
>>>>>> IE8 doesn't "respond".  My internet connection is obviously fine
>>>>>> as I
>>>>>>
>>>>> am
>>>>
>>>>> getting new emails.  But when I try to get on the internet, I get
>>>>>>
>>>>> nada.
>>>>
>>>>> C+A+D gets me "this program is not responding".  Does anyone know
>>>>>> how
>>>>>>
>>>>> I can
>>>>
>>>>> dump IE8 and go back to IE7, if it is still somewhere on my
>>>>>> computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>> If I
>>>>
>>>>> can't get on the internet, how could I get a new browser?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kitty
>>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] grouse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because I am genetically paranoid, and knowing that Greedy Billy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wants
>>>>
>>>>>  to compete in the search engine business, I wonder if your trouble
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>>  not Google gone amok, but Explorer. Maybe it's time to switch to
>>>>>>> Firefox [or whatever it's called].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Kitty wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know I've said it b4, but I hate upgrades.  This morning Win
>>>>>>>> Explorer 8 jumped on board, and though it doesn't cause any real
>>>>>>>> problems (so far) I really dislike the way it grays out most of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> web address, making black only one word.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But what's really ticking me this time is Google.  Idid NOT
>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>> to a new Google thing they kept pushing because I didn't know what
>>>>>>>> would happen.  I was just fine w/out it.  But they still changed
>>>>>>>> things on me.  I googled "currency conversion calculator"  and
>>>>>>>> got:
>>>>>>>> Results: 1-10 of about 9,050,000
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds good but they will only allow me to look at ONE - which is
>>>>>>>> something google wants to add to my igoogle toolbar - a toolbar I
>>>>>>>> don't have & don't want..  I could click on a right hand sidebar
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> sponsored links, which of course I don't want.  I don't want to
>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>> anything I just want the exchange rate for a euro.  The largest
>>>>>>>> portion of the search list page is totally BLANK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obviously this can't be right.  So I scroll and scroll until I'm
>>>>>>>> past the sponsored links and THERE they are.  I cannot immediately
>>>>>>>> see my results until I first look at what goolge and it's sponsors
>>>>>>>> have to offer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why does everyone want to slap another toolbar on my screen? I
>>>>>>>> currently have NINE available of which I allow 4 to show and that
>>>>>>>> takes up 20% of my screen as it is with small icons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grrrr
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kitty
>>>>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Inland Jim
>>>>>>> Willamette Valley
>>>>>>> 44.99 N 123.04 W
>>>>>>> Elevation 148'
>>>>>>> 39.9" Precipitation
>>>>>>> Hardiness Zone 8/9
>>>>>>> Heat Zone 5
>>>>>>> Sunset Zone 6
>>>>>>> Minimum 0 F [-15 C]
>>>>>>> Maximum 102 F [39 C]
>>>>>>>
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>>> Inland Jim
>>> Willamette Valley
>>> 44.99 N 123.04 W
>>> Elevation 148'
>>> 39.9" Precipitation
>>> Hardiness Zone 8/9
>>> Heat Zone 5
>>> Sunset Zone 6
>>> Minimum 0 F [-15 C]
>>> Maximum 102 F [39 C]
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> Inland Jim
> Willamette Valley
> 44.99 N 123.04 W
> Elevation 148'
> 39.9" Precipitation
> Hardiness Zone 8/9
> Heat Zone 5
> Sunset Zone 6
> Minimum 0 F [-15 C]
> Maximum 102 F [39 C]
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Pam Evans
Kemp TX
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