Re: Re: Politics/Bonnie

I don't know Kitty. I tell the Bushophiles around here, if your boy
doesn't get us the H outta Iraq before November, I think he's toast.
People are FED up.


Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitty
Sent: 6/29/2004 9:10:33 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie

> >  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty, study the

> > issues and vote.

> 

> What is scary (and extremely upsetting)  to me is knowing that my vote this

> November will go to Nimrod and Ripoff due to the antiquated electoral

> college.  My only satisfaction is looking at the popular vote, which of

> course counted for nothing last time around, but still, I will have done my

> civic duty.

> 

> Kitty

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>

> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:19 PM

> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie

> 

> 

> > Bonnie, it's disturbing!  Politics is the give and take of ideas not

> dogma.

> > Certainly my views have shifted after hearing a well presented case and as

> I

> > age my beliefs blend and mellow.  Frankly, it's the extremes that irritate

> > me on both sides.  Whoever doesn't agree with them are unthinking, godless

> > and unAmerican.  I hate that!

> >

> > I believe the media has much to do with that.  Instead of thoughtful

> > discussion they have to get into these loud, bashing arguments calling

> each

> > other names.  Just part of the dumbing down of America.  "What should we

> > watch tonight honey the Worlds Wrestling Federation or the Riley Report?"

> > Pretty pathetic!

> >

> > One last thing since I'm on a roll:  If 40% are rock solid on one side or

> > the other and only 6% are undecided and with only 50% of those elegable to

> > vote actually doing so then roughly 26% of the electorate dictate to the

> > rest of the country the direction we will follow for at least the next

> four

> > years.  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty, study the

> > issues and vote.

> >

> > David Franzman

> > A Touch of the Tropics

> > www.atouchofthetropics.net

> > ----- Original Message ----- 

> > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>

> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:36 PM

> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics

> >

> >

> > > I agree that there seems to be growing intolerance for differing ideas

> and

> > > that seems to be supported by some of the political analysis groups.

> > Seems

> > > that around 40% of the voters are stuck on each side with little

> movement

> > > back and forth no matter what the news or issues.  Both parties target

> the

> > > true 6% undecided...now THAT is scary for a democracy.   (Jesse, are you

> > > truly in that 6%?)

> > >

> > > Husband and I went to see Fahrenheit 911 this afternoon...very

> > > interesting...biased but definitely thought provoking.  I had heard

> about

> > > some of the Saudi connections on a talk show a month back...no one knew

> > > what the caller was talking about...there is also a book on this issue

> in

> > > addition to Moore's take.

> > >

> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > [Original Message]

> > > > From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>

> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

> > > > Date: 06/28/2004 1:51:50 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics

> > > >

> > > > Let me add something to this.  Bonnie I agree with you that politics

> is

> > a

> > > > difficult subject in a gardening group.  I enjoy it because I enjoy

> > > politics

> > > > and the discussion of ideas.  I don't add too much to it though

> because

> > I

> > > > recognize that there are different ideas out there and not everybody

> > likes

> > > > debates.

> > > >

> > > > However, none of us had the tag "Re-Elect Nimrod and Ripoff for

> > President"

> > > > until Liz did which was on her first message she sent to the group.

> > > Perhaps

> > > > what she doesn't like is the fact that many of us don't agree with her

> > > > position instead of the content and/or subject.  You see I find a

> > growing

> > > > lack of respect for differing views in this country from both the

> right

> > > and

> > > > left but I'm thoroughly sick of those who profess to be conservative

> > > calling

> > > > all of us in the middle or slightly left of center as lefties,

> liberals

> > or

> > > > commies and unAmerican to boot.

> > > >

> > > > Liz, if you didn't like politics mixed into the garden soil then why

> did

> > > > your initial message have the Re-elect message at the bottom?  Go and

> > see

> > > > the movie!  Stretch your mind.  Keep an open mind and try and see what

> > the

> > > > other side sees sometimes.  It may not change your mind but it might

> > give

> > > > you a different perspective.

> > > >

> > > > David Franzman

> > > > A Touch of the Tropics

> > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net

> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 

> > > > From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>

> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

> > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:37 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Bonnie, Liz, and All -

> > > > > Here is the original posting:

> > > > > "I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was awesome!

> > > > Everyone

> > > > > should make an effort to see it."

> > > > > The responses were short items about ticket prices, distances to

> > > theatres,

> > > > > plans to see it, and acquisition news.

> > > > > There was no mention of "stupidity" in regard to opposing views.  In

> > > fact,

> > > > > no opposing views were voiced.  I don't see any harm in someone

> > > suggesting

> > > > a

> > > > > movie to the group.

> > > > > In fact, I fully intend to see Two Brothers when it gets to a

> theatre

> > > > close

> > > > > to me.  I hope the dog-lovers out there aren't offended by my saying

> > so.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kitty

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 

> > > > > From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>

> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:42 PM

> > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Liz, not all of us are left in more than our handedness.  It does

> > > appear

> > > > > > that those with left political leanings are more vocal at this

> point

> > > > than

> > > > > > those of us in the middle or leaning a little more right

> > politically.

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > not a fan of political name calling and bashing either, regardless

> > of

> > > > > party.

> > > > > > I do think that while there is freedom of speech, courtesy would

> > > dictate

> > > > > > that the political discussions should be done privately rather

> than

> > in

> > > > our

> > > > > > normally friendly little garden chat group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Keeping it in this forum does make those of us with a different

> > > > viewpoint

> > > > > > feel as though we are being told we are "stupid" for seeing

> another

> > > side

> > > > > of

> > > > > > things by the tone of recent discussions.  I don't carry on about

> > > Kerry,

> > > > > or

> > > > > > Kennedy (only to name a few)  or the things I find so distasteful

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > left side, because I consider you all as friends and as

> individuals

> > > > > capable

> > > > > > of having independent ideas and I wouldn't want to make you think

> I

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > hold you in high esteem even though I disagree with much of what

> > I've

> > > > > heard

> > > > > > politically on this list lately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do love all of you out there, regardless of your politics, but I

> > too

> > > > am

> > > > > > tiring of the one-sided nature of the political discussions as of

> > > late.

> > > > > > Could we all get back to more "friendly" and less political

> topics?

> > > > Even

> > > > > > topics regarding gardening, the ecology, natural resources and

> bills

> > > > > > associated with that would be O.K. if it were couched as something

> > for

> > > > all

> > > > > > to consider rather than laying blame and/or pointing fingers to

> this

> > > > > > individual or party as if everything you read or hear in the press

> > > were

> > > > > > fact.  There are two sides to every story.  And while we

> > finger-point

> > > to

> > > > > > some unnamed evil, remember that our society is what WE make of it

> > and

> > > > if

> > > > > we

> > > > > > wanted only one view, we could relax and let someone become

> > dictator.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > O.K., I'm off my soapbox.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > > Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]

> > On

> > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > Of Elizabeth Gessler

> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:43 PM

> > > > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net

> > > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Farenheit 911

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can someone please sned me the instructions to unsubscribe from

> this

> > > > list.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > wasn't aware that this was a politic list with obvious very left

> > > > leanings.

> > > > > > Liz in PA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re-elect Bush-Cheney in 2004

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]

> > On

> > > > > Behalf

> > > > > > Of Kitty

> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:49 PM

> > > > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net

> > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Farenheit 911

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I really would love to see it, almost went to the first showing

> > today

> > > at

> > > > > > 11:55.  But I reluctantly decided I couldn't spend the $10 it

> would

> > > cost

> > > > > me

> > > > > > on a movie.

> > > > > > I was thrilled to read, "When Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in New York

> on

> > > > > > Wednesday, it broke box-office records, beating out even Men in

> > Black

> > > > with

> > > > > > wall-to-wall sold-out shows"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kitty

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 

> > > > > > From: <Zemuly@aol.com>

> > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:22 PM

> > > > > > Subject: [CHAT] Farenheit 911

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was

> awesome!

> > > > > > Everyone

> > > > > > > should make an effort to see it.

> > > > > > > zem

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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