Re: Re: Politics/Bonnie

Well, we can hope.  But if the Indiana electoral college votes for president
EVER went to the man for whom I voted, it would be a first.

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie


> I don't know Kitty. I tell the Bushophiles around here, if your boy
> doesn't get us the H outta Iraq before November, I think he's toast.
> People are FED up.
>
>
> Pam Evans
> Kemp, TX
> zone 8A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kitty
> Sent: 6/29/2004 9:10:33 AM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
>
> > >  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty, study the
>
> > > issues and vote.
>
> >
>
> > What is scary (and extremely upsetting)  to me is knowing that my vote
this
>
> > November will go to Nimrod and Ripoff due to the antiquated electoral
>
> > college.  My only satisfaction is looking at the popular vote, which of
>
> > course counted for nothing last time around, but still, I will have done
my
>
> > civic duty.
>
> >
>
> > Kitty
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>
> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:19 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Bonnie, it's disturbing!  Politics is the give and take of ideas not
>
> > dogma.
>
> > > Certainly my views have shifted after hearing a well presented case
and as
>
> > I
>
> > > age my beliefs blend and mellow.  Frankly, it's the extremes that
irritate
>
> > > me on both sides.  Whoever doesn't agree with them are unthinking,
godless
>
> > > and unAmerican.  I hate that!
>
> > >
>
> > > I believe the media has much to do with that.  Instead of thoughtful
>
> > > discussion they have to get into these loud, bashing arguments calling
>
> > each
>
> > > other names.  Just part of the dumbing down of America.  "What should
we
>
> > > watch tonight honey the Worlds Wrestling Federation or the Riley
Report?"
>
> > > Pretty pathetic!
>
> > >
>
> > > One last thing since I'm on a roll:  If 40% are rock solid on one side
or
>
> > > the other and only 6% are undecided and with only 50% of those
elegable to
>
> > > vote actually doing so then roughly 26% of the electorate dictate to
the
>
> > > rest of the country the direction we will follow for at least the next
>
> > four
>
> > > years.  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty, study
the
>
> > > issues and vote.
>
> > >
>
> > > David Franzman
>
> > > A Touch of the Tropics
>
> > > www.atouchofthetropics.net
>
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
>
> > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:36 PM
>
> > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > I agree that there seems to be growing intolerance for differing
ideas
>
> > and
>
> > > > that seems to be supported by some of the political analysis groups.
>
> > > Seems
>
> > > > that around 40% of the voters are stuck on each side with little
>
> > movement
>
> > > > back and forth no matter what the news or issues.  Both parties
target
>
> > the
>
> > > > true 6% undecided...now THAT is scary for a democracy.   (Jesse, are
you
>
> > > > truly in that 6%?)
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Husband and I went to see Fahrenheit 911 this afternoon...very
>
> > > > interesting...biased but definitely thought provoking.  I had heard
>
> > about
>
> > > > some of the Saudi connections on a talk show a month back...no one
knew
>
> > > > what the caller was talking about...there is also a book on this
issue
>
> > in
>
> > > > addition to Moore's take.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > > [Original Message]
>
> > > > > From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
>
> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>
> > > > > Date: 06/28/2004 1:51:50 PM
>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Let me add something to this.  Bonnie I agree with you that
politics
>
> > is
>
> > > a
>
> > > > > difficult subject in a gardening group.  I enjoy it because I
enjoy
>
> > > > politics
>
> > > > > and the discussion of ideas.  I don't add too much to it though
>
> > because
>
> > > I
>
> > > > > recognize that there are different ideas out there and not
everybody
>
> > > likes
>
> > > > > debates.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > However, none of us had the tag "Re-Elect Nimrod and Ripoff for
>
> > > President"
>
> > > > > until Liz did which was on her first message she sent to the
group.
>
> > > > Perhaps
>
> > > > > what she doesn't like is the fact that many of us don't agree with
her
>
> > > > > position instead of the content and/or subject.  You see I find a
>
> > > growing
>
> > > > > lack of respect for differing views in this country from both the
>
> > right
>
> > > > and
>
> > > > > left but I'm thoroughly sick of those who profess to be
conservative
>
> > > > calling
>
> > > > > all of us in the middle or slightly left of center as lefties,
>
> > liberals
>
> > > or
>
> > > > > commies and unAmerican to boot.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Liz, if you didn't like politics mixed into the garden soil then
why
>
> > did
>
> > > > > your initial message have the Re-elect message at the bottom?  Go
and
>
> > > see
>
> > > > > the movie!  Stretch your mind.  Keep an open mind and try and see
what
>
> > > the
>
> > > > > other side sees sometimes.  It may not change your mind but it
might
>
> > > give
>
> > > > > you a different perspective.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > David Franzman
>
> > > > > A Touch of the Tropics
>
> > > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net
>
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> > > > > From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>
> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:37 PM
>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Bonnie, Liz, and All -
>
> > > > > > Here is the original posting:
>
> > > > > > "I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was
awesome!
>
> > > > > Everyone
>
> > > > > > should make an effort to see it."
>
> > > > > > The responses were short items about ticket prices, distances to
>
> > > > theatres,
>
> > > > > > plans to see it, and acquisition news.
>
> > > > > > There was no mention of "stupidity" in regard to opposing views.
In
>
> > > > fact,
>
> > > > > > no opposing views were voiced.  I don't see any harm in someone
>
> > > > suggesting
>
> > > > > a
>
> > > > > > movie to the group.
>
> > > > > > In fact, I fully intend to see Two Brothers when it gets to a
>
> > theatre
>
> > > > > close
>
> > > > > > to me.  I hope the dog-lovers out there aren't offended by my
saying
>
> > > so.
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Kitty
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> > > > > > From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
>
> > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:42 PM
>
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Liz, not all of us are left in more than our handedness.  It
does
>
> > > > appear
>
> > > > > > > that those with left political leanings are more vocal at this
>
> > point
>
> > > > > than
>
> > > > > > > those of us in the middle or leaning a little more right
>
> > > politically.
>
> > > > > I
>
> > > > > > am
>
> > > > > > > not a fan of political name calling and bashing either,
regardless
>
> > > of
>
> > > > > > party.
>
> > > > > > > I do think that while there is freedom of speech, courtesy
would
>
> > > > dictate
>
> > > > > > > that the political discussions should be done privately rather
>
> > than
>
> > > in
>
> > > > > our
>
> > > > > > > normally friendly little garden chat group.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Keeping it in this forum does make those of us with a
different
>
> > > > > viewpoint
>
> > > > > > > feel as though we are being told we are "stupid" for seeing
>
> > another
>
> > > > side
>
> > > > > > of
>
> > > > > > > things by the tone of recent discussions.  I don't carry on
about
>
> > > > Kerry,
>
> > > > > > or
>
> > > > > > > Kennedy (only to name a few)  or the things I find so
distasteful
>
> > on
>
> > > > the
>
> > > > > > > left side, because I consider you all as friends and as
>
> > individuals
>
> > > > > > capable
>
> > > > > > > of having independent ideas and I wouldn't want to make you
think
>
> > I
>
> > > > > didn't
>
> > > > > > > hold you in high esteem even though I disagree with much of
what
>
> > > I've
>
> > > > > > heard
>
> > > > > > > politically on this list lately.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > I do love all of you out there, regardless of your politics,
but I
>
> > > too
>
> > > > > am
>
> > > > > > > tiring of the one-sided nature of the political discussions as
of
>
> > > > late.
>
> > > > > > > Could we all get back to more "friendly" and less political
>
> > topics?
>
> > > > > Even
>
> > > > > > > topics regarding gardening, the ecology, natural resources and
>
> > bills
>
> > > > > > > associated with that would be O.K. if it were couched as
something
>
> > > for
>
> > > > > all
>
> > > > > > > to consider rather than laying blame and/or pointing fingers
to
>
> > this
>
> > > > > > > individual or party as if everything you read or hear in the
press
>
> > > > were
>
> > > > > > > fact.  There are two sides to every story.  And while we
>
> > > finger-point
>
> > > > to
>
> > > > > > > some unnamed evil, remember that our society is what WE make
of it
>
> > > and
>
> > > > > if
>
> > > > > > we
>
> > > > > > > wanted only one view, we could relax and let someone become
>
> > > dictator.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > O.K., I'm off my soapbox.
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Blessings,
>
> > > > > > > Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > > > > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[o*@hort.net]
>
> > > On
>
> > > > > > Behalf
>
> > > > > > > Of Elizabeth Gessler
>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:43 PM
>
> > > > > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
>
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Can someone please sned me the instructions to unsubscribe
from
>
> > this
>
> > > > > list.
>
> > > > > > I
>
> > > > > > > wasn't aware that this was a politic list with obvious very
left
>
> > > > > leanings.
>
> > > > > > > Liz in PA
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Re-elect Bush-Cheney in 2004
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > > > > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[o*@hort.net]
>
> > > On
>
> > > > > > Behalf
>
> > > > > > > Of Kitty
>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:49 PM
>
> > > > > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > I really would love to see it, almost went to the first
showing
>
> > > today
>
> > > > at
>
> > > > > > > 11:55.  But I reluctantly decided I couldn't spend the $10 it
>
> > would
>
> > > > cost
>
> > > > > > me
>
> > > > > > > on a movie.
>
> > > > > > > I was thrilled to read, "When Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in New
York
>
> > on
>
> > > > > > > Wednesday, it broke box-office records, beating out even Men
in
>
> > > Black
>
> > > > > with
>
> > > > > > > wall-to-wall sold-out shows"
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > Kitty
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> > > > > > > From: <Zemuly@aol.com>
>
> > > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:22 PM
>
> > > > > > > Subject: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was
>
> > awesome!
>
> > > > > > > Everyone
>
> > > > > > > > should make an effort to see it.
>
> > > > > > > > zem
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> > >
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