Re: After 2,000 Years, a Seed From Ancient Judea Sprouts

Thanks for the article, Jim -- really fascinating.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pam Evans" <gardenqueen@gmail.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] After 2,000 Years, a Seed From Ancient Judea Sprouts


> 2000 years old??  That's astounding indeed!
>
> On 6/12/05, Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Thanks, Jim.  Interesting.
> > Kitty
> > neIN, Z5
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james singer" <islandjim1@verizon.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] After 2,000 Years, a Seed From Ancient Judea Sprouts
> >
> >
> > > This would be my guess--it is probably a Phoenix species, maybe even
> > > dactylifera [doubt the species has changed much in a couple of
thousand
> > > years]. Phoenixes are very promiscuous. All the species cross very
> > > easily, so if it's a female any Phoenix male could pollinate it. It's
> > > doubtful the pollinator would have any influence on the quality of the
> > > fruit--only on the genetic make up of the seed. One would want to use
a
> > > P. dactylifera, however, so any offspring of that cross would be close
> > > to resembling the female parent as possible.
> > >
> > > I would also guess that the fruit will be something of a
> > > disappointment. Two thousand years of selecting cultivars, first in
> > > what is now Libya [where some trees survived the Crusades] and then
the
> > > US has most likely resulted in better fruit.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 12, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Kitty wrote:
> > >
> > > > Re > "O.K, I have a date plant," Dr. Solowey said. "If it lives, it
> > > > will be
> > > > years before we eat any dates. And that's if it's female. There's a
> > > > 50-50
> > > > chance. And if it's a male, it will just be a curiosity."
> > > >
> > > > OK, Jim, let's say it is female.  It will need a male for
pollination.
> > > > Sounds like the other 2 seeds didn't germ.  So...if it is pollinated
> > > > by a
> > > > newer variety of date, would that alter the outcome?  I'm not very
> > > > good at
> > > > understanding this.
> > > >
> > > > Kitty
> > > > neIN, Z5
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "james singer" <islandjim1@verizon.net>
> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:51 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] After 2,000 Years, a Seed From Ancient Judea
> > > > Sprouts
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Ooops, guess it lost the link. Try this:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://hort.net/+4
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jun 12, 2005, at 10:45 AM, james singer wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Don't know how many of you peruse the Times, but this is a very
> > > >>> interesting article in this morning's paper
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a
> > > >>> name
> > > >>> of spacer.gif]
> > > >>>>  INTERNATIONAL / MIDDLE EAST   | June 12, 2005
> > > >>>>  After 2,000 Years, a Seed From Ancient Judea Sprouts
> > > >>>> By STEVEN ERLANGER
> > > >>>> Israeli doctors and scientists have succeeded in germinating a
date
> > > >>>> seed nearly 2,000 years old.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Island Jim
> > > >>> Southwest Florida
> > > >>> 27.0 N, 82.4 W
> > > >>> Hardiness Zone 10
> > > >>> Heat Zone 10
> > > >>> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
> > > >>> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
> > > >>>
> > >
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> > > >> Southwest Florida
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> > > Island Jim
> > > Southwest Florida
> > > 27.0 N, 82.4 W
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> > > Heat Zone 10
> > > Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
> > > Maximum 100 F [38 C]
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> Pam Evans
> Kemp TX
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