Re: critters > fence ideas

If leatherleaf mahonia will grow there, that is the sharpest, pickiest
stuff.  I planted one between me and the imbeciles next door to stop the
foot traffic.

On 6/23/07, Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> And then there's the Scotch Thistle, Onopordum acanthium, which saved
> Scotland from marauders arriving in the night who ran into them, resulting
> in pain and yelping. I've seen it 6ft tall.
> I considered Eleutherococcus sieboldianus Variegatus, Five fingered
> Aralia,
> for its thorns and the way it brightens up shade, but it doesn't get very
> big in shade.
>
> Kitty
> neIN, Zone 5
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cathy Carpenter" <cathy.c@insightbb.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>
>
> >I would suggest Aralia spinosa - Devil's Walking Stick. I understand
> > that during the Civil War, combatants wouldn't even go near areas
> > where it grew, no matter what the incentive was.
> >
> > Cathy, west central IL, z5b
> >
> > On Jun 22, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Donna wrote:
> >
> >> hum.. something like the pen is mighter than the sword  saying.....:)
> >>
> >> Concerning the connecting area in a previous message. Can you
> >> tackfully
> >> put a trellis in the way with a thorny rosebush or something
> >> similar?..
> >> Maybe a thorny bush?
> >>
> >> Donna
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 8:31:35 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>
> >>
> >> Oh, and Pam, last you think me a wimp, it ain't over.  I'm not as
> >> fat as I
> >> used to be but i can still sing.  About the time I finish putting
> >> up the
> >> fence it will be time for a neighborhood newsletter.  I do a well-
> >> received 4
> >> to 6 pages at a time.  I think it is time for Park State East to be
> >> educated
> >> on Easements.  I plan to do it in the form of an interview with the
> >> Township
> >> Assessor who has assured me that my age and marital status have
> >> present no
> >> reduction on my property rights.  I plan to address all her
> >> comments.  I
> >> prefer to choose my battlefield rather than to respond to her
> >> insults in a
> >> similar base manner.
> >>
> >> Kitty
> >> neIN, Zone 5
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:46 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'm afraid I wouldn't have been able to take her on Pam.  She's a
> >>> real
> >>> biker chick, albeit on the older side of 'chick', I'd guess early
> >>> 40s.
> >>> They have his and hers Harleys and she's always had a mouth.  I've
> >>> just
> >>> taken to ignoring the whole thing while I wait for the survey - they
> >>> should be here early next week.  And I'll post the building permit
> >>> while
> >>> I'm putting up the fence, should they have any arguments, they can
> >>> take it
> >>> up with the city planning commission which issues them.
> >>>
> >>> Kitty
> >>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Pam Evans" <gardenqueen@gmail.com>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:19 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Dear God Kitty.  I admire your restraint.  I'd have decked the
> >>>> cow.  No
> >>>> one
> >>>> would talk to me like that on my property.  No one.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/22/07, Jesse Bell <silverhawk@flash.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wow Kitty...that's one of the MANY reasons we live out in the
> >>>>> country.
> >>>>> You don't have to deal with neighbors like that. And kids will
> >>>>> be kids,
> >>>>> but parents need to teach them manners and boundaries as well.
> >>>>> When I
> >>>>> lived in K.C. I had a sidewalk in front of my house and then a
> >>>>> green
> >>>>> area of grass beyond that..until it hit the curb to the street. The
> >>>>> sidewalk and that green strip supposedly was city property, but
> >>>>> it was
> >>>>> still your yard. People would walk their dogs, let them poop
> >>>>> there, and
> >>>>> continue walking. They never scooped up their animal's mess.
> >>>>> Some of
> >>>>> these dogs were BIG - a great dane, standard poodle, lab and
> >>>>> airedale
> >>>>> terrier. I had to mow that area and keep it nice and it just
> >>>>> made me so
> >>>>> MAD when they did that. I put a little sign out there that said
> >>>>> "please
> >>>>> scoop if your dog poops", they just knocked it down. Very
> >>>>> frustrating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You need a James Bond type fence. One that will lower to the
> >>>>> ground for
> >>>>> the utility company, and one that will shoot water at the
> >>>>> neighbors kids
> >>>>> when they walk by!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>> So sorry about the babies Jesse.
> >>>>> as for critters....
> >>>>> My property had a chain link fence across the back west end that
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> barely
> >>>>> noticeable until several yrs ago the new neighbor limbed up all
> >>>>> the huge
> >>>>> pines I enjoyed as a 'borrowed' backdrop and installed a privacy
> >>>>> fence.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> 2 fences, about 7ft apart due to easement allowance looked dumb
> >>>>> so I
> >>>>> took
> >>>>> mine down. Kids from the east started cutting through my garden
> >>>>> to take
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> easement behind the houses as a shortcut to the school bus stop.
> >>>>> So I
> >>>>> refenced, leaving a gap below for the cats to come and go.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now the kids are coming through from the north and south traveling
> >>>>> through
> >>>>> the back of my yard as a shortcut. they drop trash, have dug holes,
> >>>>> buried
> >>>>> something, have killed the groundcover, and congregate back
> >>>>> there. I
> >>>>> don't
> >>>>> want them there; I want my privacy. I fenced off both ends and
> >>>>> they tore
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> down and brought their moms over, one of which who puffed away
> >>>>> profusely
> >>>>> on
> >>>>> her cigarette, stinking up my yard while yelling at me that the
> >>>>> "path"
> >>>>> belongs to the city. the other mom yelled at me for a good 1/2
> >>>>> hr that
> >>>>> her
> >>>>> kids have every right to walk through there, calling me a b****
> >>>>> at least
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> dozen times. She also made note that I have no property rights
> >>>>> because I
> >>>>> don't have a "partner" and I am "old" and that my yard is an
> >>>>> overgrown
> >>>>> trash
> >>>>> heap. And she says that, oh no, she would never sue me if her
> >>>>> kid got
> >>>>> hurt
> >>>>> back there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, I have to spend more money. The surveyor should be here
> >>>>> within a
> >>>>> week
> >>>>> to mark the exact line and a privacy fence is going up. I showed
> >>>>> my old
> >>>>> survey to the city planning office and she said I can build a
> >>>>> fence up
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> 7ft high on the property line. Since the neighbor has his very
> >>>>> close to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> line it may pose a hindrence for the utility access. So
> >>>>> depending on how
> >>>>> close he is to the line I may ask if I can simply tie in to his
> >>>>> fence,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> apparetnly he likes the kids and isn't a fan of mine so I doubt
> >>>>> he'll
> >>>>> agree.
> >>>>> If not and I build a fence, I'd like to engineer something
> >>>>> sectionally
> >>>>> removable to aid the utility people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone have any ideas?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Geez critters are a lot easier to deal with. They came through
> >>>>> again as
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> was writing this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kitty
> >>>>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Jesse Bell"
> >>>>> To:
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:55 AM
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Re: critters
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks. I'm such a sucker for critters. I love them all. (except
> >>>>>> snakes
> >>>>>> and spiders, but they aren't really critters)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lynda Young wrote:
> >>>>>> Oh, Jesse - I'm so sorry.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lynda
> >>>>>> Zone 7 - West TN
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-
> >>>>>> gardenchat@hort.net] On
> >>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>> Of Jesse Bell
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> >>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Re: critters
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know!!! But it's not over yet.
> >>>>>> My baby turkeys didn't make it. They are so hard to raise when
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>> that little and have been under stress. I did everything I could
> >>>>>> do.....sadness abounds today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bonnie Holmes wrote:
> >>>>>> Why not?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [Original Message]
> >>>>>>> From: Jesse Bell
> >>>>>>> To:
> >>>>>>> Date: 6/20/2007 4:56:51 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Crab watch
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I haven't had a moose or a hedgehog.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pam Evans wrote:
> >>>>>>> oh what a riot and I would love to see a picture! Jesse dear, is
> >>>>>>> there
> >>>>>> any
> >>>>>>> critter smaller than an elephant and larger than a fire ant
> >>>>>>> that you
> >>>>>> haven't
> >>>>>>> had as a pet at some time in your life? You're so funny.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Jesse Bell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's right! I forgot about that. I had several shells in my
> >>>>> container
> >>>>>>>> and it seemed like they played "musical shells" a lot. They
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> try
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> shells until they found just the right one. And when it left
> >>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>> old
> >>>>>>>> shell, one of the other ones would go try his shell on for size.
> >>>>>>>> Too
> >>>>>>>> funny.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> james singer wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Well, if it hasn't moved by morning, I'll go buy it a couple of
> >>>>>>>> additional options. Thanks for the advice.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Andrea Hodges wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We used to keep a variety of empty whelk shells available for
> >>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>> (had them in a touch tank at the Museum in Charleston) and they
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> run around checking each on out before they chose. You might
> >>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> couple more shells Jim. Those little guys can be picky
> >>>>>>>>> sometimes!
> >>>>>>>>> A
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "Garden Chat"
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:22 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Crab watch
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ms Fatma is baby-sitting a hermit crab this summer. A week
> >>>>>>>>>> or so
> >>>>> ago
> >>>>>>>>>> we noticed that it seemed a bit large for its shell, so we
> >>>>> purchased
> >>>>>>>>>> a larger one at a local souvenir shop. For the first few days,
> >>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>> dragged the new shell all around its tank--into its water
> >>>>>>>>>> bowl,
> >>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>> its food bowl--like it was introducing a new chum to the
> >>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. Well, last night, it parked next to the new
> >>>>>>>>>> shell,
> >>>>>>>>>> opening to opening. We think, maybe, it's going to move
> >>>>>>>>>> into the
> >>>>>>>>>> larger shell today or tonight.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Island Jim
> >>>>>>>>>> Southwest Florida
> >>>>>>>>>> 27.1 N, 82.4 W
> >>>>>>>>>> Hardiness Zone 10
> >>>>>>>>>> Heat Zone 10
> >>>>>>>>>> Sunset Zone 25
> >>>>>>>>>> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
> >>>>>>>>>> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>> Island Jim
> >>>>>>>> Southwest Florida
> >>>>>>>> 27.1 N, 82.4 W
> >>>>>>>> Hardiness Zone 10
> >>>>>>>> Heat Zone 10
> >>>>>>>> Sunset Zone 25
> >>>>>>>> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
> >>>>>>>> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
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> >>>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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> >>>>>>> Kemp TX
> >>>>>>> zone 8A
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
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> >>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>>> that.
> >>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>> that.
> >>>>> That's what's insane about it."  -  John Lennon
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> >>>> Kemp TX
> >>>> zone 8A
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Kemp TX
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