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Re: critters > fence ideas


Not getting old at all dear.  We're right there in your corner rooting for
you against the local cretins!

On 6/28/07, Zemuly Sanders <zemuly@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> By all means keep us informed.
> zem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>
>
> > He made a point of getting theoldest boy's name and I did tell him where
> I
> > believed he lived.  I suppose this thread is getting old but I will keep
> > you guys posted as to what happens after the fence goes up.
> > Thanks for listening to my woes.
> >
> > Kitty
> > neIN, Zone 5
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Judy Browning" <judylee@lewiston.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >
> >
> >> Marvelous. Nothing like a good helpful cop. It'd be nice if he had a
> chat
> >> with the parents too. If they give you any grief about this, I think
> your
> >> emails on this subject would count as documentation too.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>
> >>
> >>> Judy, you are an angel!
> >>> And the rest of you who suggested the cops.  I decided that since the
> >>> liaison officer wasn't responding, I should call the desk
> seargent.  He
> >>> sent an officer out within a half hour.  As I was showing him the
> damage
> >>> and the proof it was my property, the kids showed up.  He told them
> they
> >>> weren't to step foot on that area again, that I had documentation of
> >>> ownership and they weren't to bother any fence I erected there.  and
> >>> that if they did, they were going to the juvenile detention
> center.  He
> >>> gave me a report number and said he'd check by on the dates I am
> putting
> >>> up the fence.
> >>> So now I have some "history"
> >>> Thanks for the suggestion!
> >>>
> >>> Kitty
> >>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Judy Browning" <judylee@lewiston.com>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:59 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Oh, that is sweet. Doesn't it feel great to get more than you expect.
> >>>> You might let the local law enforcement know about the prior
> >>>> trespassing/vandalism if you haven't already. Then if they destroy or
> >>>> damage this one they have some history.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:47 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Update!
> >>>>> They surveyed the lot today and it turns out that my neighbor placed
> >>>>> his fence within about an inch of the property line, so the whole 80
> >>>>> inch wide area between our fences that the kids are abusing is ALL
> >>>>> MINE!  One utility pole is completely on my property while the other
> >>>>> is on the line. I was trying to figure how to work my fence in
> >>>>> alongside his when...DUH...I don't need a 64 foot fence.  All I have
> >>>>> to do is put an 80 inch wide fence at both ends and I'm done.  4
> posts
> >>>>> instead of 10. 2 panels instead of 8.  There's still the cost of the
> >>>>> post-hole digger. $20 for a truck to get the materials home and $25
> >>>>> for the permit (and of course the $225 for the survey) but it is
> >>>>> coming out more reasonably than I expected and won't take the whole
> >>>>> weekend to build!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kitty
> >>>>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Zemuly Sanders" <zemuly@comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:06 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> How lovely to live next to the "Planned Parenthood Poster Kids."  I
> >>>>>> can soooo identify with you.
> >>>>>> zem
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Jesse Bell" <silverhawk@flash.net>
> >>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:32 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wow Kitty...that's one of the MANY reasons we live out in the
> >>>>>>> country.
> >>>>>>> You don't have to deal with neighbors like that. And kids will be
> >>>>>>> kids,
> >>>>>>> but parents need to teach them manners and boundaries as well.
> When
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> lived in K.C. I had a sidewalk in front of my house and then a
> green
> >>>>>>> area of grass beyond that..until it hit the curb to the street.
> The
> >>>>>>> sidewalk and that green strip supposedly was city property, but it
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> still your yard. People would walk their dogs, let them poop
> there,
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> continue walking. They never scooped up their animal's mess. Some
> of
> >>>>>>> these dogs were BIG - a great dane, standard poodle, lab and
> >>>>>>> airedale
> >>>>>>> terrier. I had to mow that area and keep it nice and it just made
> me
> >>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>> MAD when they did that. I put a little sign out there that said
> >>>>>>> "please
> >>>>>>> scoop if your dog poops", they just knocked it down. Very
> >>>>>>> frustrating.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You need a James Bond type fence. One that will lower to the
> ground
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> the utility company, and one that will shoot water at the
> neighbors
> >>>>>>> kids
> >>>>>>> when they walk by!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>  So sorry about the babies Jesse.
> >>>>>>> as for critters....
> >>>>>>> My property had a chain link fence across the back west end that
> was
> >>>>>>> barely
> >>>>>>> noticeable until several yrs ago the new neighbor limbed up all
> the
> >>>>>>> huge
> >>>>>>> pines I enjoyed as a 'borrowed' backdrop and installed a privacy
> >>>>>>> fence. The
> >>>>>>> 2 fences, about 7ft apart due to easement allowance looked dumb so
> I
> >>>>>>> took
> >>>>>>> mine down. Kids from the east started cutting through my garden to
> >>>>>>> take the
> >>>>>>> easement behind the houses as a shortcut to the school bus stop.
> So
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> refenced, leaving a gap below for the cats to come and go.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now the kids are coming through from the north and south traveling
> >>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>> the back of my yard as a shortcut. they drop trash, have dug
> holes,
> >>>>>>> buried
> >>>>>>> something, have killed the groundcover, and congregate back there.
> I
> >>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>> want them there; I want my privacy. I fenced off both ends and
> they
> >>>>>>> tore it
> >>>>>>> down and brought their moms over, one of which who puffed away
> >>>>>>> profusely on
> >>>>>>> her cigarette, stinking up my yard while yelling at me that the
> >>>>>>> "path"
> >>>>>>> belongs to the city. the other mom yelled at me for a good 1/2 hr
> >>>>>>> that her
> >>>>>>> kids have every right to walk through there, calling me a b**** at
> >>>>>>> least a
> >>>>>>> dozen times. She also made note that I have no property rights
> >>>>>>> because I
> >>>>>>> don't have a "partner" and I am "old" and that my yard is an
> >>>>>>> overgrown trash
> >>>>>>> heap. And she says that, oh no, she would never sue me if her kid
> >>>>>>> got hurt
> >>>>>>> back there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, I have to spend more money. The surveyor should be here within
> a
> >>>>>>> week
> >>>>>>> to mark the exact line and a privacy fence is going up. I showed
> my
> >>>>>>> old
> >>>>>>> survey to the city planning office and she said I can build a
> fence
> >>>>>>> up to
> >>>>>>> 7ft high on the property line. Since the neighbor has his very
> close
> >>>>>>> to the
> >>>>>>> line it may pose a hindrence for the utility access. So depending
> on
> >>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>> close he is to the line I may ask if I can simply tie in to his
> >>>>>>> fence, but
> >>>>>>> apparetnly he likes the kids and isn't a fan of mine so I doubt
> >>>>>>> he'll agree.
> >>>>>>> If not and I build a fence, I'd like to engineer something
> >>>>>>> sectionally
> >>>>>>> removable to aid the utility people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does anyone have any ideas?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Geez critters are a lot easier to deal with. They came through
> again
> >>>>>>> as I
> >>>>>>> was writing this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kitty
> >>>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Jesse Bell"
> >>>>>>> To:
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:55 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Re: critters
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks. I'm such a sucker for critters. I love them all. (except
> >>>>>>>> snakes
> >>>>>>>> and spiders, but they aren't really critters)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Lynda Young wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Oh, Jesse - I'm so sorry.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Lynda
> >>>>>>>> Zone 7 - West TN
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> ]
> >>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>> Of Jesse Bell
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Re: critters
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know!!! But it's not over yet.
> >>>>>>>> My baby turkeys didn't make it. They are so hard to raise when
> they
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> that little and have been under stress. I did everything I could
> >>>>>>>> do.....sadness abounds today.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bonnie Holmes wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Why not?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [Original Message]
> >>>>>>>>> From: Jesse Bell
> >>>>>>>>> To:
> >>>>>>>>> Date: 6/20/2007 4:56:51 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Crab watch
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I haven't had a moose or a hedgehog.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Pam Evans wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> oh what a riot and I would love to see a picture! Jesse dear, is
> >>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>> critter smaller than an elephant and larger than a fire ant that
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> haven't
> >>>>>>>>> had as a pet at some time in your life? You're so funny.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Jesse Bell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > That's right! I forgot about that. I had several shells in my
> >>>>>>>>> > container
> >>>>>>>>> > and it seemed like they played "musical shells" a lot. They
> >>>>>>>>> > would try
> >>>>>>>>> > on
> >>>>>>>>> > shells until they found just the right one. And when it left
> >>>>>>>>> > it's old
> >>>>>>>>> > shell, one of the other ones would go try his shell on for
> size.
> >>>>>>>>> > Too
> >>>>>>>>> > funny.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > james singer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> > Well, if it hasn't moved by morning, I'll go buy it a couple
> of
> >>>>>>>>> > additional options. Thanks for the advice.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Andrea Hodges wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > > We used to keep a variety of empty whelk shells available
> for
> >>>>>>>>> > > them
> >>>>>>>>> > > (had them in a touch tank at the Museum in Charleston) and
> >>>>>>>>> > > they would
> >>>>>>>>> > > run around checking each on out before they chose. You might
> >>>>>>>>> > > need a
> >>>>>>>>> > > couple more shells Jim. Those little guys can be picky
> >>>>>>>>> > > sometimes!
> >>>>>>>>> > > A
> >>>>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer"
> >>>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>>> > > To: "Garden Chat"
> >>>>>>>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:22 AM
> >>>>>>>>> > > Subject: [CHAT] Crab watch
> >>>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Ms Fatma is baby-sitting a hermit crab this summer. A week
> or
> >>>>>>>>> > >> so ago
> >>>>>>>>> > >> we noticed that it seemed a bit large for its shell, so we
> >>>>>>>>> > >> purchased
> >>>>>>>>> > >> a larger one at a local souvenir shop. For the first few
> >>>>>>>>> > >> days, it
> >>>>>>>>> > >> dragged the new shell all around its tank--into its water
> >>>>>>>>> > >> bowl, into
> >>>>>>>>> > >> its food bowl--like it was introducing a new chum to the
> >>>>>>>>> > >> neighborhood. Well, last night, it parked next to the new
> >>>>>>>>> > >> shell,
> >>>>>>>>> > >> opening to opening. We think, maybe, it's going to move
> into
> >>>>>>>>> > >> the
> >>>>>>>>> > >> larger shell today or tonight.
> >>>>>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Island Jim
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Southwest Florida
> >>>>>>>>> > >> 27.1 N, 82.4 W
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Hardiness Zone 10
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Heat Zone 10
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Sunset Zone 25
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
> >>>>>>>>> > >> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
> >>>>>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>>>>> > >>
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> >>>>>>>>> > Southwest Florida
> >>>>>>>>> > 27.1 N, 82.4 W
> >>>>>>>>> > Hardiness Zone 10
> >>>>>>>>> > Heat Zone 10
> >>>>>>>>> > Sunset Zone 25
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> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>>>>> > I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>>>>> > and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>>>>>> > that.
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Pam Evans
> >>>>>>>>> Kemp TX
> >>>>>>>>> zone 8A
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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> >>>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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> >>>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> >>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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> >>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
> >>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
> >>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
> that.
> >>>>>>> That's what's insane about it."  -  John Lennon
> >>>>>>>
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