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Re: todays experience

Melody - I really didn't intend to come across as a plant snob, though I
suppose I may be to some extent.  I have Purple Coneflowers and and Tawny
Daylilies because I love their simple charm.  But I kicked the Shasta
Daisies out long ago because they're a royal pain.

I understand K-Marts carrying such items, actually I'm happy they don't
carry anything rare, as it would be a shame to see them gasping their last
breaths when no one waters them.  But it would be nice for "bonafide"
nurseries to offer something unusual.

There is a huge world of plants to be expereinced and I hope to God we'll
never be reduced to some "white list".  Personally, I don't care if there
are times when nothing is blooming.  The week or two of that Glaucidium will
be enough to carry me through.  I'm a collector, not a designer, so I'll
keep hoping to find something interesting, breathtaking.

I don't argue the need for tried and true, but to tell the truth, there is
more to try.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays experience

> Now, as someone whose gardens are full of very ordinary
> plants...daylilies, peonies, phlox, etc. and whatever else I can pick up
> at Walmart, here is another point of view...
> Perhaps one of the reasons that places like Walmart and Lowes, etc.
> carry so much of this very ordinary stuff is because of supply and
> demand...They order what they know they can sell and obviously what many
> people like myself want is just ordinary, tried and true standards. I
> have a great love of gardening but am I going to go out of my way to
> look for the unusual to put in my garden? Probably not and if so, then
> only very, very rarely. I like the looks of a garden that is filled with
> these tried and true friends, so I guess places like the big box stores
> market themselves to people like me. Even when I do go out of my way to
> go to a local grower, I still look for the things I am familiar with and
> that are inexpensive and affordable. No way am I going to pay $30 for a
> plant that I don't even know will survive. Matter of fact, I have a hard
> time spending more than about $10 on any one plant, unless it's a rose.
> Also, please notice that I said that in order to go to one of the local
> nurseries, I would have to go out of my way to get there. Whereas, I am
> at Walmart at least once a week, usually more, throughout the entire
> growing season...convenience could be my middle name! :-)
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> --Albert Einstein
>  --- On Fri 05/07, james singer < jsinger@igc.org > wrote:
> From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:54:59 -0400
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays experience
> I agree 110%, Kitty. But it's the vision thing. And most of them don't
> <br>have it. I've always suspected that if the normally inept local
> <br>merchants would quit whining about Wal-Mart and start offering value
> <br>[instead of same-old, same-old], they could very well whup the
> Arkansas <br>titan. If you read the NYTimes or the WSJ, you know that
> Wal-Mart's <br>plan in invade real cities [as opposed to jerk-water
> towns like my <br>neighborhood] has stalled again. They are frightened
> of competition <br>from quality merchandise. There are lessons there.
> Mom and pop need to <br>wake up.<br><br>On Friday, May 7, 2004, at 05:42
> PM, Kitty wrote:<br><br>&gt; Jim, you're right. But a smart nursery
> buyer could spend a little time<br>&gt; looking for more options. The
> min order qty can be overcome. Green <br>&gt; Mtn<br>&gt; Transplants
> offers the ordinary and a few extraordinaries that you can <br>&gt;
> mix<br>&gt; and match all you want at no additional cost. I'm sure there
> are <br>&gt; others out<br>&gt; there. Doesn't Barry Glick - Sunshine
> Farms - do this?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Also, I'm aware of a couple of small
> nursery owners who split orders. <br>&gt; They<br>&gt; are on opposite
> sides of town, so generally aren't competing for <br>&gt;
> customers.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I think sometimes it can be the buyers'
> fault. No imagination. But <br>&gt; there's<br>&gt; a caveat to sticking
> with the tried and true. Small nurseries can't <br>&gt; compete<br>&gt;
> with the big box stores on the same merchandise. Why pay $15 for
> a<br>&gt; Rudbeckia that you can pick up for $3.99 at K-Mart?
> Specializing in <br>&gt; the<br>&gt; right area, creating your niche, is
> what will keep the little guy in<br>&gt; business. Your specialty might
> be the kind of plants, or the service <br>&gt; or<br>&gt; even the
> ambience. But it can't be the price.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> Kitty<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt; From:
> &quot;james singer&quot; &lt;jsinger@igc.org&gt;<br>&gt; To:
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Friday
> , May 07, 2004 3:52 PM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays
> experience<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I think Lynda's got it right.
> Tried and true is safe and predictable.<br>&gt;&gt; In addition, plants
> are perishable and there's the minimum quantity<br>&gt;&gt; thing that
> make's it iffy to buy on speculation.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; This
> tendency on the part of the marketplace to standardize is
> what<br>&gt;&gt; makes underground markets--plant society sales,
> farmers' markets,<br>&gt;&gt; garage
> sales--interesting.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On Friday, May 7, 2004, at
> 09:19 AM, Lynda Young wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; The owners I've
> spoken to in this area says it's better business to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> stick with the well-known, comfortable plants that everyone
> <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; recognizes.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Not enough space or money
> to invest a lot in plants that most people<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> are<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; not familiar with.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> But, isn't that part of the fun of gardening? Stretching the
> limits<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; and<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; trying something new in the
> hope of finding a great addition to your<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; plantings.
> Unfortunately, it seems you can only do that through<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> mail-order in most cases. Certainly not everything you get
> will<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; thrive,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; but when an experiment
> works it is a real thrill.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> Lynda<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Zone 7 - West Tn<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> -----Original Message-----<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; From:
> owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]
> On<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Behalf Of Donna<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, May
> 06, 2004 9:31 PM<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] todays
> experience<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah I am
> kinda worried about that.... There are so many more
> choices<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; via mail order, but I always wondered about
> that.. like if they are<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; really hardy and grow able here,
> why i
> sn
> 't any of the nurseries<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; carrying<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; them? I
> understand the big box stores only do the main plants, but
> <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; what<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; about the specialty
> ones?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Anyone care to explain it to
> me?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
> Donna<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Uh-oh,
> Donna. Careful - you might get hooked with this mail
> order<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; thing! And, believe me, I know whereof I speak
> ;o)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Lynda<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> Zone 7 - West TN<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
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