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Re: Re: /schools/chef

That's what I have too. Mine have warped over the years & won't sit flat on
the burner. OK if you're right there, but makes for hot spots if  it's
something you don't want to stir much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef

> Judy: FWIW, my favorite cookware is RevereWare...got a basic set for a
> wedding gift 16 years ago and still have the same set today, plus pieces
> I've added over the years. Stands up to any abuse you can dish out to it
> during the course of cooking at home. It has become our standard wedding
> gift to young couples. Not fancy stuff, but does a great job for a
> moderate amount of money.
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> --Albert Einstein
>  --- On Thu 05/20, Judy L Browning < judybrowning@lewiston.com > wrote:
> From: Judy L Browning [mailto: judybrowning@lewiston.com]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:05:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef
> Just some stuff for her apartment. I thought it would be nice if she had
> at<br>least one good pot. I agree she needs good knives. She got most of
> the<br>carbon steel ones my mom had picked up over the years and knows
> how to keep<br>them sharp. Once she's into this a little more, I bet she
> starts getting a<br>little opinionated about what's good. Several
> birthdays &amp; Christmases will<br>help her stock up.<br>----- Original
> Message -----<br>From: &quot;David Franzman&quot;
> &lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;<br>To: &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>Sent:
> Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:24 AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools/chef<br><br><br>&gt; Hi Judy<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Does she have to
> take her own skillet??? Her decision is partly based on<br>&gt; what
> type of cooking she will be doing. Will she cook very fast with
> high<br>&gt; heat or slower with lower heat. Many of the new pans these
> days are good<br>&gt; but can't take real high heat and restaurants that
> sauti use very high<br>heat.<br>&gt; If that is the case then aluminum
> is probably the best material. If more<br>&gt; casual cooking then
> Calphalon or AlClad (sp) are two good and expensive<br>&gt; answers. If
> you choose Calphalon then get the professional series not the<br>&gt;
> top of the line which is crud if you ask me. I'm sure that there
> are<br>others<br>&gt; on the list who will add to this and probably know
> more. I never made<br>pans<br>&gt; a area of study for
> myself.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; By the way Judy, if I were her I would make
> purchasing a very good set of<br>&gt; knives more of a priority than the
> pans. If she is good at what she does<br>&gt; then any pan will see her
> through but really good knives are<br>indispensable.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> David Franzman<br>&gt; A Touch of the Tropics<br>&gt;
> www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt;
> From: &quot;Judy L Browning&quot;
> &lt;judybrowning@lewiston.com&gt;<br>&gt; To:
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:48
> AM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef
> <br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; David,<br>&gt; &gt; hope you will reply to
> this. I'm trying to decide on an excallent<br>skillet<br>&gt; &gt; or
> saucepan for my niece who aspires to be a chef. Any
> recomendation?<br>She<br>&gt; &gt; plans to go to school in Seattle next
> fall.<br>&gt; &gt; Following the discussion on schools with great
> interest. My take is that<br>&gt; &gt; many here feel they have no
> responsibility once their own children are<br>out<br>&gt; &gt; of
> school. Don't get me started on bond issues! or property tax
> based<br>&gt; &gt; funding for schools.<br>&gt; &gt; ----- Original
> Message -----<br>&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Melody&quot;
> &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; To:
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 11:31 PM<br>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>&gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; I thought I remembered something
> about being a chef...which brings me<br>to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; my real
> question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be a<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage
> her in<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a
> chef? What schooling<br>is<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; involved? TIA.<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;The most beautiful thing
> we can experience is the mysterious.&quot;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --Albert
> Einstein<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --- On Thu 05/20, David
> Franzman &lt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; From:
> David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:46:43
> -0700<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question
> but, certified<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; chef,&lt;br&gt;manufacturers rep,
> degree in American History minored in<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; political
> science.&lt;br&gt;Can yo
> u
> tell???&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; of the Tropics&lt;br&gt;www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;-----
> Original Message<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;From:
> &quot;Melody&quot; &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 10:36<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; PM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; DF: Just out of<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; curiosity...what did you do for a living before the
> hibs.&lt;br&gt;consumed<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> you?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;The most beautiful<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; thing we can experience is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> --Albert<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; --- On
> Thu 05/20, David Franzman &lt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net
> &gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: David Franzman [mailto:<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:
> gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 19<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; May
> 2004 22:16:47 -0700&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Re:
> [CHAT]<br>/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; It's
> funny Kitty, because like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; except&lt;br&gt;&gt; with&lt;br&gt;two things education and health
> care. On the other<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; side though&lt;br&gt;&gt; I'm
> a&lt;br&gt;personal responsibility type of guy. I hate<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> the victimization&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing that we&lt;br&gt;have going on in
> this country.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Typically that's an&lt;br&gt;&gt; excuse
> which I can't&lt;br&gt;stand. And if they<br>pass<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> anymore laws trying to&lt;br&gt;&gt; protect me from myself I
> may&lt;br&gt;just<br>commit<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; hari kari...or is
> that&lt;br&gt;&gt; against the law?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With education
> you<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; simply can't have a democracy&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> without a well<br>educated&lt;br&gt;populace.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> And of course diverse sources of&lt;br&gt;&gt; news but that's a<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; different&lt;br&gt;topic. I assure you Kitty that if J.
> Paul&lt;br&gt;&gt; Getty's<br>kids<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; went to
> public&lt;br&gt;schools...they would find
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> health care I've spent millions of dollars on&lt;br&gt;&gt; research and
> I'm<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; fairly&lt;br&gt;certain that a germ doesn't stop
> at gated&lt;br&gt;&gt; communities.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; So, we had
> better&lt;br&gt;find a way to pay for that also or not&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> only<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; will we have a bunch of people&lt;br&gt;who can't
> add past 2 + 2 but&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; they'll be disease
> carriers as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David Franzman&lt;br&gt;A
> Touch<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the Tropics&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;-----
> Original Message&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;br&gt;From:
> &quot;Kitty&quot;
> &lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 7:54&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; AM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I understand<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; your&lt;br&gt;&gt; theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply
> sounded&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; 'heated'. Not so,&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> just speaking up.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; However, if your<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; theory were to be put into&lt;br&gt;&gt; practice - which it
> can't be -&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; there'd be less money to go
> around.&lt;br&gt;&gt; I have no idea how many<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; millions
> of&lt;br&gt;kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; are in private schools,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but
> if they were<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; all sent to public schools,
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt; system would&lt;br&gt;&gt; collapse.<br>Public<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; schools are using the funds from taxes that&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> pay&lt;br&gt;&gt; for private<br>&gt; &gt; &
> gt
> ; kids on the public kids and still can't make ends&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> meet.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Also, one of the
> great privleges we as Americans enjoy&lt;br&gt;&gt; is
> choice.<br>I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt; approve of
> home-schooling, but I do believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; those<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> parents have the right&lt;br&gt;to&lt;br&gt;&gt; choose that route. I
> also&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>believe<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; that if you want special
> schooling for&lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; br&gt;&gt; your kids
> -<br>like<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; the nutcases who enroll their kids in
> nursery&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>school&lt;br&gt;while&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; they are still in the womb - you can make that&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> choice. To say NO<br>to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; these&lt;br&gt;&gt; choices
> and to private school simply&lt;br&gt;&gt; because you think<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; it could improve&lt;br&gt;&gt; public schools, goes against
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt; grain of<br>our<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; society. It's
> socialistic&lt;br&gt;or&lt;br&gt;&gt; maybe even
> communistic&lt;br&gt;&gt; -<br>both<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; systems with good
> ideals and properties -&lt;br&gt;that&lt;br&gt;&gt; will
> not&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; necessarily fix the public school
> problem. Public schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> must&lt;br&gt;fix&lt;br&gt;&gt; themselves, thus making themselves
> attractive,<br>by&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; choice, to
> consumers.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Also - the best and the
> brightest<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; are&lt;br&gt;&gt; not necessarily in private
> schools.&lt;br&gt;W&lt;br&gt;&gt; went to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> private&lt;br&gt;&gt; schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: &quot;David Franzman&quot;
> &lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent:
> Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:14<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> AM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&g
> t; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;T<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; oo<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; broad a&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> statement, David.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Kitty, I
> don't want to<br>get<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; into a&lt;br&gt;&gt; heated
> debate over what is simply my&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; belief
> however<br>I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt; understand why your
> personal experience with&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>parochial<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; makes my statement too broad. My point was
> that if<br>we&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; were
> all&lt;br&gt;&gt; sent to the same institutions of learning instead
> of<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; separate&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; whether
> for personal reasons or wealth the entire<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; society
> would&lt;br&gt;&gt; have&lt;br&gt;more&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; concern for
> the welfare of<br>public<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; education which
> as&lt;br&gt;&gt; you must admit&lt;br&gt;turns&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; out
> far more<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; children than private.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Therefore our schools would<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> be&lt;br&gt;better&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; because there would
> be&lt;br&gt;&gt; far more involvement<br>by<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; those who
> wield more&lt;br&gt;power&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; within our&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> society.&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Nobody
> would argue that private institutions are&lt;br&gt;&gt; bad<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; places for&lt;br&gt;learning.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Far from it. In
> fact, what they do<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; funnel the best
> and the brightest&lt;br&gt;&gt; out&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; of
> the<br>public<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; school&lt;br&gt;&gt; system and even
> worse take the most powerful people&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; country and make public
> education not their<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; problem.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; David
> Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; A To
> uc
> h of<br>the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> w&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ww&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> .atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; -----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
> &quot;Kitty&quot;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; To:
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> Sent:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; I've said this all my adult<br>life:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; Private schools are the bane of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; country.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Too broad a statement, David.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Speaking from my<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; experience of 12&lt;br&gt;&gt; years
> of parochial school, which is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> private school, but not&lt;br&gt;&gt; quite the private school that Bill
> Gate's<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; would&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; attend.......&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I was able
> to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; receive a good education with, I&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> believe, less of the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> interuptions you mentioned in another&lt;br&gt;&gt; post.
> Baby-sitting<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; didn't&lt;br&gt;happen&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; my classes. Can't&lt;br&gt;&gt; behave ?
> Ou<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; t you go. My parents paid tuition
> for&lt;br&gt;3&lt;br&gt;&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> us<br>and<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; we weren't well off by any standards. All
> the parents that&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>pay&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt; govt,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; and yet&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> they&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; do not make use of funds that the
> govt&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &g
> t; has assigned for public&lt;br&gt;schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> For&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 12 yrs x 3,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> my&lt;br&gt;&gt; folks paid taxes which went to public schools AND
> they&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; paid&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; tuition. This allows the public schools
> extra<br>funds.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; It's not
> our&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; fault&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; they
> didn't use it wisely. If I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; had had kids, they
> too&lt;br&gt;&gt; would have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; attended&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; parochial school.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; -----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Original Message
> ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; From:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;David
> Franzman&quot;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; [CHAT] /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> Melody&lt;br&gt;&gt; (I'm sorry<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; folks I realize this
> is a garden group and not a&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; soapbox&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for political agendas) I
> think the problem is in<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; reality.
> The&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; reality&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; is that
> there are far<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; too many&lt;br&gt;&gt; students in
> California who don't care&lt;br&gt;&gt; and&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; whose parents&lt;br&gt;&gt; don't care
> whether they get an education or not.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Fact&lt;br&gt;&gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; there is
> only so<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; much money and resources and the way
> we&lt;br&gt;&gt; casually&lt;br&gt;&gt; spend&lt;
> br
> &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; money in this country
> insures a bleak&lt;br&gt;&gt; future for<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> education.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> I've said this all my adult&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>life:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Private schools are the bane of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; country.<br>They&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; guarantee
> unequal education. Send Bill Gate's and&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Warren&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be having<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; discussion&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; right now. But as long as we<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; don't we lose
> untold&lt;br&gt;&gt; thousands of&lt;br&gt;bright&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; who don't
> have the&lt;br&gt;&gt; resources to a good education and hence<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; fall&lt;br&gt;&gt; through&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; cracks.<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;b<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; r&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; David Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; A&lt;br&gt;&gt; Touch of the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> -----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; From: &quot;Melody&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> New oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>DF:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> This is the&lt;br&gt;&gt; result of a poorly thought out and
> woefully&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; underfunded&lt;br&
> gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;No Child Left Behind
> Act&quot;, brought to<br>you<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; courtesy of
> our&lt;br&gt;&gt; current&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; government
> officials. In<br>order<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; to continue&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> qualifying for federal&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; financial aid
> for<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; school districts,&lt;br&gt;&gt; each school must
> meet grade&lt;br&gt;&gt; level&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; requirements, you&lt;br&gt;&gt; know. Well, if a certain
> percentage of<br>the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> children&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; can't make it
> and that prevents the school<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; from getting
> funding,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; then&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; what is the logical<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; step? To reduce the level
> of&lt;br&gt;&gt; difficulty of&lt;br&gt;what&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; being taught
> to the lowest&lt;br&gt;&gt; common denominator, i.e. dumbing<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; down.&lt;br&gt;In&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
> purest&lt;br&gt;&gt; form, NCLB would be a<br>godsend<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> to the children of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> America...teaching them to reach<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; for the highest
> standards.&lt;br&gt;&gt; In&lt;br&gt;it's&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; current<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; bastardized version, it's a
> nightmare!&lt;br&gt;&gt; Political action,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; though...the strength of character
> to&lt;br&gt;&gt; stand up for what<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> you&lt;br&gt;believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; in...is
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; o&lt;br&gt;&gt; nly
> thing<br>that<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; will change this unfortunate course
> of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; action our<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; elected officials have embarked upon. Write or&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> call&lt;br&gt;your&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &
> gt
> ; &gt; &gt; local federal and state legislators and demand&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> that they<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; fully&lt;br&gt;fund&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; NCLB act. Okay...off
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; soapbox now...sorry,
> folks!&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &quot;The<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; most beautiful&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing we can
> experience is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; --Albert&lt;br&gt;&gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman
> &lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt;
> wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: David Franzman<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; [mailto:&lt;br&gt;&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; -0700&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [CHAT] New<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; No, no, no Pam!&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> It's<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;Can I supersize that for you!&quot; Man,
> could I&lt;br&gt;&gt; tell&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; you&lt;br&gt;stories about
> my kids school. They watch more movies&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> than&lt;br&gt;the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; attendants
> at&lt;br&gt;the Sundance Movie<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Festival.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> What's worse is that&lt;br&gt;&gt; not&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> only are<br>most<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;movies
> out of context with the class but&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> many&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<b
> r>&gt; &gt; &gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them
> are...ugh...cartoons.&lt;br&gt;Now are we talking<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> about&lt;br&gt;&gt; an&lt;br&gt;elementary&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; school? Nope! High school.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; The&lt;br&gt;coup
> d'&lt;br&gt;&gt; grace was when my&lt;br&gt;daughter&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; came<br>home<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; from school and
> she&lt;br&gt;&gt; told me&lt;br&gt;that they watched,
> in&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Spanish&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; class, a&lt;br&gt;&gt; Flintstones cartoon<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> movie...IN&lt;br&gt;ENGLISH! Oh, it did&lt;br&gt;have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Spanish<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; subtitles. The
> schools are dumbing down&lt;br&gt;our kids and
> I&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; find&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; it repugnant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David
> Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>of&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; Original&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &lt;br&gt;From:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &lt;gardenqueen@academicplanet.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004
> 7:35&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> PM&lt;br&gt;Subject:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Re: Re: [CHAT]
> New&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Agreed. I've
> seen&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; what&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the local public schools
> produc&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; e here - you<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> want&lt;br&gt;fries w/ that?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> Appalling.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Pam<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; Evans&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kemp, TX&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> zone&lt;br&gt;8A&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----&
> lt
> ;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Original&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: james singer&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt; &gt; Sent:&lt;br&gt;5/17/2004&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; 4:24:57 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;New&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> oleander&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Yes, they are. And
> I&lt;br&gt;&gt; thi<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; nk<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; et<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; /funds/&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
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