Re: Re: /schools/chef
I've used a great set of Magnalite since 1978. I reallllly like it.
Kitty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef
> Judy: FWIW, my favorite cookware is RevereWare...got a basic set for a
> wedding gift 16 years ago and still have the same set today, plus pieces
> I've added over the years. Stands up to any abuse you can dish out to it
> during the course of cooking at home. It has become our standard wedding
> gift to young couples. Not fancy stuff, but does a great job for a
> moderate amount of money.
>
>
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
>
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> --Albert Einstein
>
> --- On Thu 05/20, Judy L Browning < judybrowning@lewiston.com > wrote:
> From: Judy L Browning [mailto: judybrowning@lewiston.com]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:05:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef
>
> Just some stuff for her apartment. I thought it would be nice if she had
> at<br>least one good pot. I agree she needs good knives. She got most of
> the<br>carbon steel ones my mom had picked up over the years and knows
> how to keep<br>them sharp. Once she's into this a little more, I bet she
> starts getting a<br>little opinionated about what's good. Several
> birthdays & Christmases will<br>help her stock up.<br>----- Original
> Message -----<br>From: "David Franzman"
> <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent:
> Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:24 AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools/chef<br><br><br>> Hi Judy<br>><br>> Does she have to
> take her own skillet??? Her decision is partly based on<br>> what
> type of cooking she will be doing. Will she cook very fast with
> high<br>> heat or slower with lower heat. Many of the new pans these
> days are good<br>> but can't take real high heat and restaurants that
> sauti use very high<br>heat.<br>> If that is the case then aluminum
> is probably the best material. If more<br>> casual cooking then
> Calphalon or AlClad (sp) are two good and expensive<br>> answers. If
> you choose Calphalon then get the professional series not the<br>>
> top of the line which is crud if you ask me. I'm sure that there
> are<br>others<br>> on the list who will add to this and probably know
> more. I never made<br>pans<br>> a area of study for
> myself.<br>><br>> By the way Judy, if I were her I would make
> purchasing a very good set of<br>> knives more of a priority than the
> pans. If she is good at what she does<br>> then any pan will see her
> through but really good knives are<br>indispensable.<br>><br>>
> David Franzman<br>> A Touch of the Tropics<br>>
> www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>
> From: "Judy L Browning"
> <judybrowning@lewiston.com><br>> To:
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:48
> AM<br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef
>
> <br>><br>><br>> > David,<br>> > hope you will reply to
> this. I'm trying to decide on an excallent<br>skillet<br>> > or
> saucepan for my niece who aspires to be a chef. Any
> recomendation?<br>She<br>> > plans to go to school in Seattle next
> fall.<br>> > Following the discussion on schools with great
> interest. My take is that<br>> > many here feel they have no
> responsibility once their own children are<br>out<br>> > of
> school. Don't get me started on bond issues! or property tax
> based<br>> > funding for schools.<br>> > ----- Original
> Message -----<br>> > From: "Melody"
> <mhobertm@excite.com><br>> > To:
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 11:31 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>>
> ><br>> ><br>> > > I thought I remembered something
> about being a chef...which brings me<br>to<br>> > > my real
> question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be a<br>>
> > > chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage
> her in<br>> > > this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a
> chef? What schooling<br>is<br>> > > involved? TIA.<br>> >
> ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)<br>> > ><br>> > > "The most beautiful thing
> we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> > > --Albert
> Einstein<br>> > ><br>> > > --- On Thu 05/20, David
> Franzman < dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> > > From:
> David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> > > To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:46:43
> -0700<br>> > > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>> >
> ><br>> > > Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question
> but, certified<br>> > > chef,<br>manufacturers rep,
> degree in American History minored in<br>> > > political
> science.<br>Can yo
>
> u
> tell???<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch<br>> >
> > of the Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>-----
> Original Message<br>> > > ----- <br>From:
> "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:<br>> >
> > <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 10:36<br>> > > PM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools<br><br><br>> DF: Just out of<br>> >
> > curiosity...what did you do for a living before the
> hibs.<br>consumed<br>> > >
> you?<br>><br>><br>> Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)<br>><br>> "The most beautiful<br>> >
> > thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>>
> --Albert<br>> > > Einstein<br>><br>> --- On
> Thu 05/20, David Franzman <<br>> > > dfranzma@pacbell.net
> > wrote:<br>> From: David Franzman [mailto:<br>> >
> > dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Wed, 19<br>> > > May
> 2004 22:16:47 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: Re:
> [CHAT]<br>/schools<br>><br>><br>> > > It's
> funny Kitty, because like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road<br>> >
> > except<br>> with<br>two things education and health
> care. On the other<br>> > > side though<br>> I'm
> a<br>personal responsibility type of guy. I hate<br>> > >
> the victimization<br>> thing that we<br>have going on in
> this country.<br>> > > Typically that's an<br>> excuse
> which I can't<br>stand. And if they<br>pass<br>> > >
> anymore laws trying to<br>> protect me from myself I
> may<br>just<br>commit<br>> > > hari kari...or is
> that<br>> against the law?<br><br>With education
> you<br>> > > simply can't have a democracy<br>>
> without a well<br>educated<br>populace.<br>> > >
>
> And of course diverse sources of<br>> news but that's a<br>>
> > > different<br>topic. I assure you Kitty that if J.
> Paul<br>> Getty's<br>kids<br>> > > went to
> public<br>schools...they would find
> the<br>><br>money.<br><br>With<br>> > >
> health care I've spent millions of dollars on<br>> research and
> I'm<br>> > > fairly<br>certain that a germ doesn't stop
> at gated<br>> communities.<br>> > > So, we had
> better<br>find a way to pay for that also or not<br>>
> only<br>> > > will we have a bunch of people<br>who can't
> add past 2 + 2 but<br>><br>> > > they'll be disease
> carriers as well.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A
> Touch<br>> > > of<br>> the Tropics<br><br>>
> > ><br>> > > www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>-----
> Original Message<br>> -----<br>> > > <br>From:
> "Kitty"
> <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>To:<br>><br>> > >
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 7:54<br>><br>> > > AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools<br><br><br>> I understand<br>> >
> > your<br>> theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply
> sounded<br>><br>> > > 'heated'. Not so,<br>>
> just speaking up.<br>><br>> However, if your<br>>
> > > theory were to be put into<br>> practice - which it
> can't be -<br>><br>> > > there'd be less money to go
> around.<br>> I have no idea how many<br>> > > millions
> of<br>kids<br>> are in private schools,<br>> but
> if they were<br>> > > all sent to public schools,
> the<br>> system would<br>> collapse.<br>Public<br>>
> > > schools are using the funds from taxes that<br>>
> pay<br>> for private<br>> > &
>
> gt
> ; kids on the public kids and still can't make ends<br>>
> meet.<br>><br>><br>> > > Also, one of the
> great privleges we as Americans enjoy<br>> is
> choice.<br>I<br>> > > don't<br>> approve of
> home-schooling, but I do believe<br>> those<br>> > >
> parents have the right<br>to<br>> choose that route. I
> also<br>><br>believe<br>> > > that if you want special
> schooling for<<br>><br>> br>> your kids
> -<br>like<br>> > > the nutcases who enroll their kids in
> nursery<br>><br>school<br>while<br>><br>>
> > > they are still in the womb - you can make that<br>>
> choice. To say NO<br>to<br>> > > these<br>> choices
> and to private school simply<br>> because you think<br>>
> > > it could improve<br>> public schools, goes against
> the<br>> grain of<br>our<br>> > > society. It's
> socialistic<br>or<br>> maybe even
> communistic<br>> -<br>both<br>> > > systems with good
> ideals and properties -<br>that<br>> will
> not<br>><br>> > > necessarily fix the public school
> problem. Public schools<br>><br>> > >
> must<br>fix<br>> themselves, thus making themselves
> attractive,<br>by<br>><br>> > > choice, to
> consumers.<br>><br>> Also - the best and the
> brightest<br>> > > are<br>> not necessarily in private
> schools.<br>W<br>> went to<br>> > >
> private<br>> schools.<br>><br>>
> Kitty<br>><br>> ----- Original Message<br>> >
> > ----- <br>><br>> From: "David Franzman"
> <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>><br>> > >
> To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent:
> Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:14<br>> > >
> AM<br>><br>&g
>
> t; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools<br>><br>><br>> > "T<br>>
> > ><br>> > > oo<br>> > > broad a<br>>
> statement, David."<br>> ><br>> > Kitty, I
> don't want to<br>get<br>> > > into a<br>> heated
> debate over what is simply my<br>> > belief
> however<br>I<br>> > > don't<br>> understand why your
> personal experience with<br>> ><br>parochial<br>> >
> > schools<br>> makes my statement too broad. My point was
> that if<br>we<br>><br>> > > > were
> all<br>> sent to the same institutions of learning instead
> of<br>> > > separate<br>> ><br>> whether
> for personal reasons or wealth the entire<br>> > > society
> would<br>> have<br>more<br>> > concern for
> the welfare of<br>public<br>> > > education which
> as<br>> you must admit<br>turns<br>> > out
> far more<br>> > > children than private.<br>>
> Therefore our schools would<br>> > >
> be<br>better<br>> > because there would
> be<br>> far more involvement<br>by<br>> > > those who
> wield more<br>power<br>> > within our<br>>
> society.<br>><br>> > > ><br>> > Nobody
> would argue that private institutions are<br>> bad<br>> >
> > places for<br>learning.<br>> > Far from it. In
> fact, what they do<br>> > > is<br>> funnel the best
> and the brightest<br>> out<br>> > of
> the<br>public<br>> > > school<br>> system and even
> worse take the most powerful people<br>><br>> > >
> in<br>> > the<br>> country and make public
> education not their<br>> > > problem.<br>>
> ><br>> ><br>><br>> > David
> Franzman<br>> > A To
>
> uc
> h of<br>the<br>> > > Tropics<br>> >
> w<br>><br>> ww<br>>
> .atouchofthetropics.net<br>><br>> -----<br>> > >
> Original Message ----- <br>> ><br>> From:
> "Kitty"<br>> > >
> <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>> > To:
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>><br>> >
> Sent:<br>> > > Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM<br>> >
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]<br>><br>> > >
> /schools<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > >
> > I've said this all my adult<br>life:<br>><br>> >
> > Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>>
> > > > country.<br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> Too broad a statement, David.<br>> > >
> Speaking from my<br>> > > experience of 12<br>> years
> of parochial school, which is<br>> > ><br>> > >
> private school, but not<br>> quite the private school that Bill
> Gate's<br>> > > kids<br>> > would<br>>
> > ><br>> attend.......<br>> > > I was able
> to<br>> > > receive a good education with, I<br>>
> believe, less of the<br>> > ><br>> > >
> interuptions you mentioned in another<br>> post.
> Baby-sitting<br>> > > didn't<br>happen<br>>
> in<br>> > > my classes. Can't<br>> behave ?
> Ou<br>> > ><br>> > > t you go. My parents paid tuition
> for<br>3<br>> of<br>> > ><br>>
> us<br>and<br>> > > we weren't well off by any standards. All
> the parents that<br>><br>pay<br>><br>> > >
> > > tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from
> the<br>> govt,<br>> > > and yet<br>>
> they<br>> > > do not make use of funds that the
> govt<br>><br>> > &g
>
> t; has assigned for public<br>schools.<br>> >
> For<br>> > > 12 yrs x 3,<br>> > >
> my<br>> folks paid taxes which went to public schools AND
> they<br>><br>> > > paid<br>>
> ><br>> > tuition. This allows the public schools
> extra<br>funds.<br>> > > It's not
> our<br>><br>> fault<br>> > > they
> didn't use it wisely. If I<br>> > > had had kids, they
> too<br>> would have<br>> > attended<br>>
> > ><br>> > > parochial school.<br>> >
> ><br>> > ><br>> Kitty<br>> >
> ><br>> > > -----<br>> > > Original Message
> ----- <br>> > > From:<br>> "David
> Franzman"<br>> > >
> <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>> > > To:<br>>
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> ><br>><br>> > >
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM<br>><br>> >
> > Subject: Re: Re:<br>> > > [CHAT] /schools<br>>
> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > >
> Melody<br>> (I'm sorry<br>> > > folks I realize this
> is a garden group and not a<br>> ><br>><br>>
> > > soapbox<br>> > > > for political agendas) I
> think the problem is in<br>> > > the<br>> reality.
> The<br>> > reality<br>> > > > is that
> there are far<br>> > > too many<br>> students in
> California who don't care<br>> and<br>> >
> ><br>><br>> > > whose parents<br>> don't care
> whether they get an education or not.<br>> > >
> Fact<br>> is<br>> > ><br>>
> that<br>> ><br>><br>> > > there is
> only so<br>> > > much money and resources and the way
> we<br>> casually<br>> spend<
>
> br
> >><br>><br>> > > > > money in this country
> insures a bleak<br>> future for<br>> > >
> education.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >
> I've said this all my adult<br>><br>life:<br>> > >
> Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>> >
> > > country.<br>They<br>><br>> > > guarantee
> unequal education. Send Bill Gate's and<br>>
> Warren<br>> > ><br>> > > ><br>>
> Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be having<br>> >
> > this<br>> ><br>> discussion<br>> >
> > > right now. But as long as we<br>> > > don't we lose
> untold<br>> thousands of<br>bright<br>> >
> > kids<br>> ><br>><br>> > > > who don't
> have the<br>> resources to a good education and hence<br>>
> > > fall<br>> through<br>> >
> ><br>> the<br>> > > > cracks.<br>> >
> ><br>> > > <b<br>> > > r>> > >
> ><br>> > > > David Franzman<br>> > >
> > A<br>> Touch of the<br>> > >
> Tropics<br>> > > >
> www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>> > > ><br>>
> -----<br>> > > Original Message ----- <br>> > >
> > From: "Melody"<br>><br>> > >
> <mhobertm@excite.com><br>> > > > To:
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > ><br>> > >
> ><br>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM<br>>
> > > > Subject: Re: Re:<br>> > > [CHAT]<br>>
> New oleander/schools<br>> > > ><br>> >
> > ><br>> > > > ><br>DF:<br>> > >
> This is the<br>> result of a poorly thought out and
> woefully<br>> ><br>> > > underfunded<br&
>
> gt;> > ><br>> > > "No Child Left Behind
> Act", brought to<br>you<br>> > > courtesy of
> our<br>> current<br>> > > > > government
> officials. In<br>order<br>> > > to continue<br>>
> qualifying for federal<br>> > > > > financial aid
> for<br>> > > school districts,<br>> each school must
> meet grade<br>> level<br>> > ><br>><br>>
> > > > requirements, you<br>> know. Well, if a certain
> percentage of<br>the<br>><br>> > >
> children<br>> > > > ><br>> can't make it
> and that prevents the school<br>> > > from getting
> funding,<br>><br>> then<br>> > > >
> > what is the logical<br>> > > step? To reduce the level
> of<br>> difficulty of<br>what<br>>
> is<br>> ><br>><br>> > > > > being taught
> to the lowest<br>> common denominator, i.e. dumbing<br>>
> > > down.<br>In<br>> > > > > it's
> purest<br>> form, NCLB would be a<br>godsend<br>> > >
> to the children of<br>> > > > ><br>>
> America...teaching them to reach<br>> > > for the highest
> standards.<br>> In<br>it's<br>> > > >
> > current<br>> > > bastardized version, it's a
> nightmare!<br>> Political action,<br>> >
> ><br>><br>> > > > though...the strength of character
> to<br>> stand up for what<br>> > >
> you<br>believe<br>> > > > > in...is
> the<br>><br>> o<br>> nly
> thing<br>that<br>> > > will change this unfortunate course
> of<br>> > > > ><br>> action our<br>>
> > > elected officials have embarked upon. Write or<br>>
> call<br>your<br>><br>><br>> > > &
>
> gt
> ; > > local federal and state legislators and demand<br>>
> that they<br>> > > fully<br>fund<br>> >
> the<br>> > > > > NCLB act. Okay...off
> the<br>><br>> > > soapbox now...sorry,
> folks!<br>> > > > ><br>> > > >
> ><br>> > > ><br>> > >
> ><br>><br>> > > > > Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > >
> "The<br>> > > most beautiful<br>> thing we can
> experience is the mysterious."<br>> ><br>><br>>
> > > > > --Albert<br>> Einstein<br>>
> ><br>> > ><br>> > > > > ><br>>
> > > > > --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman
> <<br>><br>> > > dfranzma@pacbell.net >
> wrote:<br>> > > > > From: David Franzman<br>>
> > > [mailto:<br>> dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>>
> > > > > To:<br>> > >
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > > > ><br>>
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32<br>> > > -0700<br>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Re:<br>> [CHAT] New<br>>
> > > oleander/schools<br>> > > >
> ><br>> > > > > No, no, no Pam!<br>>
> It's<br>> > > "Can I supersize that for you!" Man,
> could I<br>> tell<br>> > >
> ><br>><br>><br>> > > you<br>stories about
> my kids school. They watch more movies<br>><br>> > >
> than<br>the<br>> > > > > attendants
> at<br>the Sundance Movie<br>> > > Festival.<br>>
> What's worse is that<br>> not<br>> > > > >
> only are<br>most<br>> > > of<br>> the<br>movies
> out of context with the class but<br>>
> many<br>><br>><b
>
> r>> > > of<br>><br>> > > > > them
> are...ugh...cartoons.<br>Now are we talking<br>> > >
> about<br>> an<br>elementary<br>> > > >
> > school? Nope! High school.<br>> > > The<br>coup
> d'<br>> grace was when my<br>daughter<br>> >
> > > > came<br>home<br>> > > from school and
> she<br>> told me<br>that they watched,
> in<br>><br>> > > Spanish<br>> > > >
> > class, a<br>> Flintstones cartoon<br>> > >
> movie...IN<br>ENGLISH! Oh, it did<br>have<br>> >
> > ><br>> > Spanish<br>> > > subtitles. The
> schools are dumbing down<br>our kids and
> I<br>><br>><br>> > > find<br>> >
> > > > it repugnant.<br><br>David
> Franzman<br>A Touch<br>of<br>><br>> > >
> the<br>> > > > >
>
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> > > Original<br>> Message -----<br>> > >
> > > <br>From:<br>><br>> > >
> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com><br>To:<br>> >
> > > ><br>><br>> > >
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004
> 7:35<br>> ><br>><br>> > >
> PM<br>Subject:<br>> > > > > Re: Re: [CHAT]
> New<br>><br>> > >
> oleander/schools<br><br><br>> Agreed. I've
> seen<br>> > what<br>> > > ><br>> >
> > ><br>> the local public schools
> produc<br>><br>> e here - you<br>> > >
> want<br>fries w/ that?<br>> > > > >
> Appalling.<br>><br>><br>> Pam<br>> >
> > Evans<br>> Kemp, TX<br>>
> zone<br>8A<br>> -----&
>
> lt
> ;br>> > > > ><br>> > > Original<br>>
> Message -----<br>> From: james singer<br>><br>>
> > > Sent:<br>5/17/2004<br>> > >
> ><br>> > 4:24:57 PM<br>> To:<br>> > >
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Subject: Re:<br>>
> [CHAT]<br>New<br>> > > > ><br>> > >
> oleander<br>><br>> > Yes, they are. And
> I<br>> thi<br>> > ><br>> > > nk<br>> >
> > et<br>> > > /funds/<br><br><br>> >
> ><br>> > >
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