Re: election

And putting the anti-gay marriage initiatives on the ballot sure brought out the trogs, especially in Ohio I'm told.

On Friday, November 5, 2004, at 09:52 AM, Kitty wrote:

And now the rest of the story......
There were many, many reports of new voters signed up by Republicans who
discarded the Democratic applications beofre turning them in. Yes, Rove does
know how to get things done.

Kitty

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] election


Seems Carl Rove got out the vote of more previously non-voters than did
Kerry's team. In most of the close states, the margin between the Bush
new
voters and the Kerry new voters was exactly what decided things. Rove
studied the non-voters and decided that there was political possibility.
He set up an organization based on the Amway method. For two years,
volunteers were recruited who recruited locals. They were all volunteers
who had "sales quotas"...bring in more workers, make more calls, etc.
They
built a data base beginning with voter registrations and whatever else
they
could find out about people. The volunteers emphasized moral values. A
large portion of the operations were run through the auspices of local
churches, which is why they were under the radar of the national
pollsters.
One Ohio county had a network of over 3,000 workers. If you notice some
of
Rove's quotes, he told reporters exactly how many phone calls and how many
doors were knocked on in a specific county.
Bonnie Zone 7 ETN


[Original Message]
From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Date: 11/5/2004 1:38:07 AM
Subject: [CHAT] election

Hi guys

Well this election was a disappointment for me as well. Much of the
fault has
to be layed at the feet of the campaigner. Kerry was terrible and
probably
deserved to lose. I too am fearful of the future more so for the
Supreme
Court selections than for what Bush will do in the next four years. I
hope he
doesn't use his "mandate" to select extremist judges or we will be
paying
for
this election for a very long time.

The reason I'm writing this is not to predict doom and gloom for the
future.
I fear political extremes of any type right or left. I would not like
to
live
under an exteme left politician any more than I would a rightest.
Leftist (I
don't use the word liberal because using that term as deragatory is
silly.
Thomas Jefferson was liberal as were many of our founding fathers. If
they
weren't we'd still be living under a king) tend to tell others how to
live
their lives as they think they know better what is right and wrong. I
can't
stand government as big brother any more than I like unfettered
conservatism.
However this country's political make up seems to be extremes either
right or
left. There is no compromise anymore which is the essence of politics.

We have become so intransigient in this country with nobody caring what
is
said or what facts are presented. We simply will not back down from
even
an
indefensible position. Like those who say that there is no such thing
as
evolution and that the earth began 10,000 years ago. Or that it's ok to
spray
somebody with paint because they are wearing a fur coat. Both of these
things, from opposite sides of the political spectrum, are ridiculous
and
yet
adherents will justify their beliefs and actions. We will never move
forward
as a nation as long as people live in proverbial trenches. At some
point
we
have to say "what is best for the country and not just my narrow
interests".
We seem to have lost our way and we must fix it. Yes, my side lost this
election but that doesn't mean the end of the world. What it does mean
is
that we didn't deliver our message very well but it will be better for
ourselves and our country if we remain engaged. We can work with others
who
don't agree with us by being polite and empathetic to their feelings.
The
people who voted the opposite way are not blind, deaf and dumb. They
simply
see things we don't or don't put as much faith in. That doesn't make
them
wrong. They are still our neighbor and our fellow countryman and their
opinion is just as valuable as ours. Perhaps if we take the time to
listen to
each other instead of just thinking of our next point we might find we
are
closer to each other than we think.

Lastly to make this point stronger. Ever since the late 70's or so we
have
been the generation of greed. It really is time to start thinking of
the
greater good instead of just ourselves. This includes business,
economics,
social and cultural issues. We are so self absorbed now that people
rarely 
donate their time or energy into anything except their own hedonistic
activities.  The more we talk and the more we do things with and for
others
the faster we'll heal and the better we'll all be.

Republicans congratulations. You won. You now have the honor of
leading
our
country. Lead well please my kids are counting on you.

DF

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