Re: Re: Re: Christmas giving programs

A BIT??   Hmm, I'll let that go.  Anyhow, I'm sure you were right.  Nicely done!

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitty
Sent: 11/24/2004 10:54:54 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Christmas giving programs

Jerry wasn't an alcoholic or an addict, just a bit irresponisble.  He

supported his family ok, but he also knew his brother was a soft touch.  My

take was that he didn't really need the groceries, but we couldn't call him

a liar, just in case.  In any case, it worked. He stopped asking Terry for

money for food. So I think I was right.



Kitty



----- Original Message ----- 

From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Christmas giving programs





> I've always found it incomprehensible that people would spend money on

> booze, gambling, drugs when they have families going w/out but I know it

> happens all the time. Severely screwed up priorites there.

>

>

> Pam Evans

> Kemp, TX

> zone 8A

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: james singer

> Sent: 11/24/2004 4:28:13 PM

> To: gardenchat@hort.net

> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Christmas giving programs

>

> I would be, too. Groceries are hard to fence.

>

> On Wednesday, November 24, 2004, at 04:03 PM, Kitty wrote:

>

> > Fran, I didn't mean to come down too hard, just adding a little

> > optimism.

> > We all have to choose a method of giving that works for us.  As for

> > myself,

> > I'm broke.  I scraped a few $ together to give to the DAV, but that's

> > it

> > this year.  I had to drop my animal charity last January when I lost

> > my job.

> > I'm selling off some collectibles so I'll be able to by some small

> > gifts for

> > family.

> >

> > I can be cynical about it or I can say it's Christmas, a time to

> > share.  I

> > have a friend coming to my house for Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow who

> > has

> > lost virtually everything, even her home.  So I know there are those

> > who

> > have it much worse than I.

> >

> > If a 5 yr old dumps a teddy bear in a trash can, that attitude is the

> > fault

> > of his/her parents. S/he learned that somewhere.

> >

> > As for being careful about giving, I once dated a guy whose twin

> > brother was

> > always short of money.  Jerry had a wife and 4 kids, and Terry & I

> > didn't

> > want to see them hungry, but Terry had helped before only to find his

> > brother had spent it on booze or rec drugs.  I told him it was a

> > no-brainer.

> > We worked in a grocery store.  We bought them groceries.  Jerry was

> > "grateful", but not particularly happy.

> >

> > Kitty

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "F M Ferrari" <fm4re@swbell.net>

> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

> > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:12 PM

> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Christmas giving programs

> >

> >

> >> Oh Kitty, I don't mean that I don't buy and buy "pretty" - I'm

> >> actually

> >> pretty generous compared to many here. But when the $25.00 Target gift

> >> card to a family I don't know is not "enough" or the teddy bear gets

> >> dumped in the trash can by a cynical 5 year old, welllllll..... So I

> >> take care of the barn manager at the barn where I kept my horse and

> >> still ride. I KNOW that any extra $25.00 gift card from Target is

> >> appreciated by her.

> >>

> >>

> >> I'm just more careful where I make my donations anymore and donate my

> >> time. I want to help but don't want to be taken advantage of or told

> >> that what I give is not enough or not trendy enough, etc. Why does a

> >> homeless person need a brand new coat and not the one I've outgrown

> >> but

> >> still in good condition? If I was still thin enough, I would still be

> >> wearing it which is fine for me but not some homeless person? See

> >> what I

> >> mean? I'm really a pessimistic Pollyanna, wanting to help and hope

> >> everyone gets along yet know that it's useless sometimes. But, I still

> >> try and help when I want. Fran

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:

> >> I agree the basics are important, but the "wants" for material things

> >> shouldn't be overlooked at Christmas. It doesn't have to be bling, but

> > with

> >> the serviceable tube socks, couldn't you include one pair with pink

> >> lace

> >> around the edge? It's Cmas and everyone needs a little sparkle.

> >> It is sad that the assumption is that anything a poor child wants but

> >> doesn't get will be stolen. I know some of that will happen, but I

> >> don't

> >> think it is true across the board.

> >>

> >> Kitty

> >>

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: "F M Ferrari"

> >> To:

> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:15 AM

> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Christmas giving programs

> >>

> >>

> >>> You know, I really don't think that Jim's remark is that off. If

> >>> these

> >>> kids are so poor, then they need some basics. Here at work, we always

> >>> adopt families and kids. Often request a list of "wants" for

> >>> Christmas.

> >>> Let me tell you these "poor" kids want more material things than most

> >>> kids I know. Lot's of requests for name brand stuff that is tied into

> >>> gang affiliation, lot's of "bling bling", etc.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Yeah, like anything related to gangs is going to be bought by

> >>> corrections employees! I hate how ungrateful so many of our adoptees

> >>> are. I'll only contribute stuff like socks and underwear, let them

> >>> steal

> >>> the other stuff they want - I need a job until I retire. Fran (I'm a

> >>> biostatistician for OK corrections medical services)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Jesse Bell wrote:

> >>> *snicker*...why does that NOT surprise me Jim. You crack me up. While

> >> you're at it...throw a lump of cole in there too. LOL

> >>>

> >>> Jesse

> >>>

> >>> james singer wrote:

> >>> I don't know about the area where you live, but here there are

> >>> several

> >>> organizations that want you to pick a child's name out of some sort

> >>> of

> >>> replica of a hat and then go buy that child something for christmas.

> >>> I

> >>> think this is a great idea. I intend to buy several of these children

> >>> the same sort of presents I got when I was their age. Socks and

> >>> underwear.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Island Jim

> >>> Southwest Florida

> >>> 27.0 N, 82.4 W

> >>> Zone 10a

> >>> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]

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