Re: bermudagrass wars

My xeriscape herb bed is living proof of that Kitty.
And Bonnie was amazed at the quality of the soil that came along w/ her
cannas after hearing me talk about my clay. That's seven years of
letting the leaves lie where they fall to do their work and annual
topdressing w/ lava sand. When I bought the place, you needed a pickaxe
to dig a hole. It's come a long way....


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:24:26 -0500

>I guess I should have said the clay component of soil.  The problem with the
>clay soil you are referring to is that people just throw up their hands and
>say they can't do anything about it while they rake up all their leaves and
>tell the city to haul them away.  Clay can be amended and enriched.
>
>Kitty
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
>To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [CHAT] bermudagrass wars
>
>
>> Kitty: You are as usual, right on all accounts about soil composition.
>> When I say clay, I guess I'm talking about the stuff you see all along
>> the river beds every where here in Iowa...thick, clumpy stuff that can
>> be used to make pottery if one is so inclined...people actually have
>> that stuff in their yards, buried under just a couple inches of turf
>> grass...ugh!!!!! I guess I just don't think of loam as containing clay
>> (although I know it does) just because it is so dark and pretty to look
>> at, as well as being heavenly to work in. Guess I should know by now
>> that I have to watch my semantics when I'm talking to this
>> group...LOL!!!! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
>>
>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
>> --Albert Einstein
>>
>>  --- On Tue 09/02, Kitty < kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:
>> From: Kitty [mailto: kmrsy@comcast.net]
>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:34:09 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] bermudagrass  wars
>>
>> Well, I was just guessing. Actually clay gets a bad rap. It's not
>> always<br>that bad. When someone says they have no clay - that's really
>> not that<br>good. If you take a look at a soil pyramid<br>
>>
>>
>http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/seeu/atlantic/images/Soil_pyramid.jpg<br>clay
>>
>> plays a part in more than half the area. Clay helps to retain
>> moisture<br>and improves cation exchange. As regards the texture of the
>> soil:<br>"Texture refers to the composition of the strata according to
>> the USDA soil<br>pyramid, which classifies soils based on percentages of
>> sand, clay and silt.<br>A loam has roughly equal amounts of sand, silt
>> and clay. A clayey silt is<br>predominantly silt with some clay, but may
>> also contain sand, etc."<br>So if you have a nice loam soil, you do
>> indeed have some clay. The clay you<br>reaaly don't want is
>> blue.<br><br>Kitty<br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From:
>> <Cersgarden@aol.com><br>To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Tuesday,
>> September 02, 2003 5!
>>
>> :14 PM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] bermudagrass wars<br><br><br>> In a
>> message dated 9/2/03 1:15:46 AM, mhobertm@excite.com writes:<br>><br>>
>> << Hmmm....I bet clay soil would have done a better job of<br>> holding
>> on to that<br>> tree. :+) >><br>><br>> Kitty, our tornado of 98' didn't
>> recognize the fact our soils were clay.<br>We<br>> lost 9 trees in our
>> garden, several of those uprooted but the home behind<br>us<br>> had an
>> enormous ugly cottonwood and it was pulled up by the roots also.<br>>
>> Ceres<br>><br>>
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