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RE: Digest for Gardenwriters@topica.com, issue 356


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To: <Gardenwriters@topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:20 AM
Subject: Digest for Gardenwriters@topica.com, issue 356


> -- Topica Digest --
>
> Re: photos for magazine articles
> By PRICCIO@samhsa.gov
>
> RE: photos for magazine articles
> By buzz@impact-pr.com
>
> Re: photos for magazine articles
> By PRICCIO@samhsa.gov
>
> Re: Product reviewers
> By paradisegardener@hotmail.com
>
> Re: Product reviewers
> By Info4Laine@aol.com
>
> RE: Product reviewers
> By jeffball@starband.net
>
> RE: newcomers and intimidation
> By jeffball@starband.net
>
> RE: Plant sources and illustrations
> By jeffball@starband.net
>
> RE: Product reviewers
> By jeffball@starband.net
>
> Re: Gardening in draught conditions
> By apismno@aol.com
>
> Re: Gardening in draught conditions
> By apismno@aol.com
>
> Re: RE: Plant sources and illustrations
> By GardenLit@aol.com
>
> introduction
> By HERBWORLD@aol.com
>
> Re: newcomers and intimidation
> By apismno@aol.com
>
> Water gardens and fish
> By GardenLit@aol.com
>
> RE: Gardening in draught conditions
> By buzz@impact-pr.com
>
> Re: introduction
> By FRIELSTER@aol.com
>
> New product -- Backyard Compost Tea Brewer
> By buzz@impact-pr.com
>
> Too funny not to pass on
> By HERBWORLD@aol.com
>
> Advertising with a story
> By larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net
>
> opening Sunday
> By prettydirtyladies@prodigy.net
>
> Re: Water gardens and fish/be informed!
> By larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net
>
> Re: Water gardens and fish/be informed!
> By lonrom@hevanet.com
>
> Fishy escapees and fertilizer
> By woodycoa@surf.net.au
>
> Re: Fishy escapees and fertilizer
> By tloallergyfree@earthlink.net
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:04:35 -0500
> From: "Peggy Riccio" <PRICCIO@samhsa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: photos for magazine articles
>
>
> thank you. I will contact them
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:07:07 -0500
> From: "Susan McCoy" <buzz@impact-pr.com>
> Subject: RE: [GWL]: photos for magazine articles
>
>
> If you want anything, you should talk to us.  We'll arrange it for you.
> They'll just send you to us anyway.
>
> What magazine?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peggy Riccio [P*@samhsa.gov]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:05 AM
> To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: photos for magazine articles
>
> thank you. I will contact them
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:10:05 -0500
> From: "Peggy Riccio" <PRICCIO@samhsa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: photos for magazine articles
>
>
> thank you for your advice. I will pass your wife's name and business on to
him. I have seen her name, I guess in GWAA materials, but did not know that
Judy was your wife. I once went through the GWAA directory and created a
list of photographers which I gave to the former editor, but she left the
magazine. I offered the list to the new editor but he told me he was on a
budget. I do believe that it is our job as professional garden writers to
assist, educate, and inform editors as much as possible--it only adds value
to the profession.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:01:29 -0600
> From: "Linda Nitchman" <paradisegardener@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Product reviewers
>
>
> Does anyone know how to get involved with this? I have been watching for
> info on the GWAA site, but haven't seen anything, yet. I'm doing some
> product reviews that I arranged on my own. Jeff, can you enlighten us?
>
> Linda Nitchman
> Garden columnist and freelance writer
>
>
> >From: Jemsharp@aol.com
> >Reply-To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> >To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> >Subject: Re: [GWL]: Product reviewers
> >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:12:41 EST
> >
> >Beth -- Many of us do product reviews. In fact, Jeff Ball,
> >jeffball@starband.net, is head of the group that coordinates various
> >product
> >testing and reviews.
> >
> >Jo Ellen Meyers Sharp
> >Indianapolis
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:53:27 EST
> From: Info4Laine@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Product reviewers
>
>
> Yes, I'd like to know more as well.
>
> thanks,
> ruth
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:56:40 -0800
> From: "Jeff Ball" <jeffball@starband.net>
> Subject: RE: [GWL]: Product reviewers
>
>
>
> Both Nancy Szerlag, my partner, and I do product testing and product
> reviews.  How can we help?
>
> Jeff Ball
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:56:49 -0800
> From: "Jeff Ball" <jeffball@starband.net>
> Subject: RE: [GWL]: newcomers and intimidation
>
>
>
>
> Carol,
> I agree, newcomers should not feel intimidated.  All of us old heads have
> suffered an embarrassment or two or ten  when we stuck our two cents into
a
> discussion and realized we didn't have a clue; On the other hand, how does
> one learn if one does not participate?  One of the things that keeps this
> job from feeling like a job is that I am a perpetual student.  I learn
> something new almost every day.  I've written a book about compost and
still
> have a whole lot more to learn about compost.
> So for those on the list holding back when they have a comment or
> question.....don't.  The only person you should be wary about is Jeff
> Lowenfels -  his stuff is usually off the wall, but this is because he is
> from Alaska; everyone else on the list are normal, well adjusted, really
> together folks.....yeah,  right.
> Jump in newbies, the water is great.
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:57:01 -0800
> From: "Jeff Ball" <jeffball@starband.net>
> Subject: RE: [GWL]: Plant sources and illustrations
>
>
> Sally,
>
> Does Barbara Barton still publish her listings of plant sources?  Or maybe
> she is exclusively on the net with NGA or someone.  I've lost track.
>
> Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GardenLit@aol.com [G*@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:48 PM
> To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> Subject: [GWL]: Plant sources and illustrations
>
> A good source of sources of plants is the Andersen Horticultural
> Library's Source List of Plants and Seeds, 5th edition, 2000, $39.95 or
> for the same price subscribe to their online service, web address
> plantinfo@umn.edu.
>
> It includes an index to images of plants published in books and
> periodicals in their fabulous collection, sources of plants and seeds,
> and nursery information. There's also a section which is free that
> evaluates plant image databases.
>
> Sally Williams
> former librarian
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:08:37 -0800
> From: "Jeff Ball" <jeffball@starband.net>
> Subject: RE: [GWL]: Product reviewers
>
>
>
>
> Whoops. Caught again in my own impossible schedule.  I am supposed to be
> collecting the basic data for new products coming into the Lawn and Garden
> Market and publishing the data on this list and in the GWAA newsletter.  I
> have about 10 products lined up and have found that I need to go back and
> forth with the companies a lot more than I had anticipated so the "finals"
> are not available for most.  I have another 13 products identified but
have
> not gotten to the companies yet.
> It is well that I have been reminded of my duty here since I need the
> information for my own web site.  So I will attempt to have some product
> listings ready no later than next week.  I am not doing "reviews" as such.
> I do not evaluate the product.  I do screen out products I don't feel are
> worthy of note, not many.  What I do is identify a new product and contact
> the company and determine if they are willing to offer the new product to
be
> tested and possibly reviewed by garden writers across the country.  I also
> determine if they have a press release available via the Internet for
garden
> writers to find.  The idea is to have an on-going list always available to
> the list and to GWAA members.  The list is organized by product category;
> e.g. fertilizers, power tools, insecticides, etc.  In this way, a garden
> writer can go into the list in six months and still have access to the
info
> released next week.
> Thanks for reminding me to get off my butt.
> Anyone who knows about a new product and can give me a lead to the
company,
> contact me off list and I will followup on it for the list.
>
> Jeff Ball
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:13:12 EST
> From: ApisMNO@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Gardening in draught conditions
>
>
> Suzi, Sure I've got suggestions.  Sophora japonica for shade tree.
Cotinus
> obovatus for small to medium shade tree, Sedums handle drought well, but I
> have some shady spots which are not Sedum land.  Tulips especially
species.
> My favorites are the Batalini selections which I think have been visited
by
> taxonomists lately.  I'm talking loamy sand (85% sand) and no supplemental
> irrigation in the close in Boston area where nature turned off the water
last
> July after over a decade of below average annual precip.  I'll try to come
> uno with some other names later
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:22:27 EST
> From: ApisMNO@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Gardening in draught conditions
>
>
> Suzi,  Peter is right.  I had a yucca division take root and expand when
just
> left on top of the ground.  Yuccas also stand a little bit of shade.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:25:23 EST
> From: GardenLit@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [GWL]: Plant sources and illustrations
>
>
> Jeff,
> Barbara Barton is working on a new edition of Gardening by Mail. The last
> one, I believe, was the fifth, published in 1997. This is a marvelous
> reference tool, indispensable, I'd say (I said so in my article Tools for
the
> Mind in the newest BBG Handbook on Tools). Gardening by Mail contains a
lot
> of information about nurseries which you can find alphabetically by name
or
> indexed by plant category. There's the rub: you can't get to the plant
source
> by individual plant name.
>
> Her email is tusker@apnet and she'd welcome a sale or two.
> Sally
>
> Sally Williams
> still a librarian I guess
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:31:07 EST
> From: HERBWORLD@aol.com
> Subject: introduction
>
>
> OK, I'll jump in with my introduction...
>
> I run The Herb Growing & Marketing Network, a trade
association/information
> service for the herb industry with around 2000 members.  I edit The Herbal
> Green Pages, a 450 page resource guide that's updated every 3 months
(because
> these people keep moving around, changing names, etc).  I also manage
> herbnet.com and herbworld.com which are pretty comprehensive sites on
herbs
> and the herb industry.  I design websites for businesses and host them as
> well.
>
> My latest obsession is Herbalpedia....an ongoing encyclopedia of herbs on
a
> CD....The monographs are comprehensive ranging from 2-10 pages with
> everything I can find on a specific plant including uses and recipes from
> food and medicine to cosmetics, aromatherapy and dye plants.  I got tired
of
> having to search through 20 books and the web to find material on one
plant
> so now I'm putting everything together to save myself and others time (and
> it's been selling pretty well as well).  It's in Adobe Acrobat format and
> sells at $48....if people renew each year they get an updated CD with
another
> couple hundred plants added for only $24.  Searchable with color photos of
> almost every plant.  Current edition has over 350 plants....2003 will be
> around 700 (I don't sleep much).
>
> Echinacea is the herb of the year for 2002 and you can find a monograph on
it
> along with promotional pictures (and information about Herbalpedia)  at
> http://www.herbnet.com/herbalpedia_final.htm
>
> I lecture around the country on herbs and the business of herbs, am a
massage
> therapist and if ever truly desperate, I'm a CPA (past life thing)
>
> I've enjoyed being a member of GWAA but this group has been more
informative
> than what I've received from them without a doubt.
>
> Maureen Rogers
>
> The Herb Growing & Marketing Network
> http://www.herbnet.com and herbworld.com
> PO Box 245, Silver Spring, PA 17575
> 717-393-3295; FAX: 717-393-9261
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:34:02 EST
> From: ApisMNO@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: newcomers and intimidation
>
>
> Carol Deppe;  Very Smart.  My mother often said one can be quiet and
appear
> stupid, or speak and remove all doubt.  If you listen to people who do
> research every day they'll say that they have the greatest respect for
others
> who say, " I don't know "when they are not very certain and prepared to
> support their opinion.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:36:56 +0000
> From:  <GardenLit@aol.com>
> Subject: Water gardens and fish
>
>
> While we're on the subject of water gardens, I read this morning in
> Common Sense Pest Control Quarterly (a respected publication of the
> non-profit Bio-Integral Resource Center BIRC dedicated to least-toxic
> methods of pest control) of the ecological dangers of goldfish.
>
> A recommendation to stock small backyard ponds with goldfish for
> mosquito control was changed by a letter written by Jean Held pointing
> out the destructive habits of goldfish, koi, and carp in backyard ponds
> (apparently they devour eggs of native frogs, other amphibians and
> beneficial insects such as dragonflies). Apparently, when they escape,
> which happens frequently (when you read how, you'll understand how easy
> it is) they "rip up bottom vegetation, stir up the bottom, devour young
> and eggs of native species. I have seen healthy ponds die with the
> introduction of these fish. Without vegetation, algae blooms form, and
> whatever native species might try to colonize the pond can find no
> hiding places or food." There's more in the full letter cited below.
>
> William Quarles of BIRC replied "When we recommended goldfish for the
> backyard pond or container, it never occurred to us that these exotic
> fish would be able to get into surface water from a backyard pond. Thank
> you for pointing out the potential problem."
>
> Since water gardens are so popular and goldfish are so appealing, well
> advertised and available, writers might make a good story out of warning
> the public. Or doing more research on the subject. Let's hear from those
> who know. I talked with Bill this morning, he'd like to hear more on the
> subject.
>
> The reference is Common Sense Pest Control 17(4) Fall 2001, p.22 (I just
> received it so I guess I'm not the only one behind!)
>
> BIRC has a website http:/www.birc.org, email birc@igc.org. tel 510 524
> 2567 for info and proper publication credit and acknowledgement.
>
> Sally Williams
> once a librarian, always a librarian
>
> Editor and publisher
> Garden Literature Press
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:57:20 -0500
> From: "Susan McCoy" <buzz@impact-pr.com>
> Subject: RE: [GWL]: Gardening in draught conditions
>
>
> Thanks Barbara -- great help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Emeneau [a*@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:22 PM
> To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Gardening in draught conditions
>
> Suzi,  Peter is right.  I had a yucca division take root and expand when
> just
> left on top of the ground.  Yuccas also stand a little bit of shade.
>
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> GWL has searchable archives at:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:16:01 EST
> From: FRIELSTER@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: introduction
>
>
> Hi, Maureen.  Saw you at Ralph's pre-Grand Canyon/Harvest party.
> A question for you and anyone else about Echinacea, the Herb of the Year:
> What have you heard about allergic reactions?  Apparently there've been a
few
> bad ones.
>
> John Friel
> Yoder Bros.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:20:17 -0500
> From: "Susan McCoy" <buzz@impact-pr.com>
> Subject: New product -- Backyard Compost Tea Brewer
>
>
> SoilSoup Introduces Compost Tea Brewer
> for Backyard Gardens
>
> Seattle, WA - February 18, 2002 -- Home gardeners now can brew the same
> concentrated, highly nutritious compost tea organic farmers are brewing.
> Seattle based SoilSoup, Inc. is introducing a 6.5 gallon compost tea
> brewing system suitable for lawns, backyard gardens and small organic
> farms.
>
> This system is the same aerobic brewing process used in SoilSoup's 1,000
> gallon system it sells to large agricultural businesses and is the only
> consumer version of its type in the world.
>
> The chemical-free product enriches the soil, naturally combats such
> diseases as tomato blight, squash and grape mildews and black spot on
> roses, provides growth enhancements and helps the soil retain moisture.
>
> According to founder Jerry Erickson, "Applying SoilSoup to a lawn or
> garden has the same effect as spreading 3" of good compost - but without
> the hard work of making and spreading traditional compost."
>
> The 6.5 gallon SoilSoupT Compost Brewing System Bucket, which retails
> for $329, comes with an easy to carry handle and a re-usable lid with an
> extendable pouring spout.
>
> The system includes everything you need to start brewing, including the
> SoilSoup Bio-BlenderTM, compost tea bag, five pounds of worm compost, a
> half gallon of SoilSoup Nutrient Solution (enough to make 65 gallons of
> finished tea) and a Users Manual which explains it all.
>
> The backyard garden SoilSoup brewing system was developed after garden
> centers began experiencing almost overnight success selling gallons of
> SoilSoup themselves.  Late last season garden centers the northwest
> began brewing and selling SoilSoup.  Gardeners lined up early with empty
> milk jugs to fill up with a gallon of SoilSoup.
> One of the first garden centers to brew and sell the compost tea is
> Bainbridge Gardens, near Seattle, WA.
>
>  "This new cutting edge technology is making it possible to enjoy the
> benefits of compost without the space and weight requirements," says
> manager Ann Lovejoy. "SoilSoup is the greatest invention since compost.
> "
>
> Lovejoy, a nationally acclaimed "guru of organic gardening," author,
> speaker and newspaper columnist predicts that "within 5 years there will
> be a SoilSoup Compost Brewer in every nursery and every garage."
>
> And she may just be right on the money.  Garden centers have been
> calling SoilSoup founders from as far away as Nebraska wanting to know
> how they can get started brewing their own SoilSoup.  "This type of
> success made us aware that the home gardener would want a blender of
> their own," Erickson says.
>
> Gardening is big business.  The National Gardening Association estimates
> that 2 out of 3 Americans garden, spending more than $50 billion on
> garden products they use themselves and on services they hire.
>
> According to the Organic Trade Association, retail sales of organic
> products were projected to hit $9.3 billion in 2001. By 2005, sales are
> expected to reach nearly $20 billion.
>
> To roll out the product in the Seattle area, SoilSoup will be hosting
> "Compost Tea Parties" at a dozen nurseries beginning March 2 through the
> April at garden centers in the Puget Sound region.  SoilSoup founders
> will hold workshops and demonstrations and offer free compost tea for
> all garden center guests.
>
> For more information, log on to http://www.soilsoup.com or call toll
> free: 1 (877) 711-7687
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:10:36 EST
> From: HERBWORLD@aol.com
> Subject: Too funny not to pass on
>
>
> So You Think You Can Tell
>
> A writer died and was given the option of going to heaven or hell.
> She decided to check out each place first. As the writer descended
> into the fiery pits, she saw row upon row of writers chained to their
> desks in a steaming sweatshop. As they worked, they were repeatedly
> whipped with thorny lashes.
>
> "Oh my," said the writer. "Let me see heaven now."
>
> A few moments later, as she ascended into heaven, she saw rows of
> writers, chained to their desks in a steaming sweatshop. As they
> worked, they, too, were whipped with thorny lashes.
>
> "Wait a minute," said the writer. "This is just as bad as hell!"
>
> "Oh no, it's not," replied an unseen voice. "Here, your work gets
> published."
>
>
> Maureen
> The Herb Growing & Marketing Network
> http://www.herbnet.com and herbworld.com
> PO Box 245, Silver Spring, PA 17575
> 717-393-3295; FAX: 717-393-9261
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:48:47 -0600
> From: Larry Maupin <larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Advertising with a story
>
>
> Something I have been doing for over a year is interview owners of
> businesses that advertise in the publication for which I'm writing a
story.
> I get names from previous issues or ask the editor for a list. (One editor
> was thrilled that I would ask for such a list.)
> For example, if my story is about a new landscape idea, I'll mention that
> nursery and its owner in my story, quoting him or her about how they use
> that new idea or method. The advertiser looks like an expert on the topic,
> my story is more interesting, and the editor is pleased to have subtly
> promoted an advertiser. It's a win-win-win situation. I know ads have been
> sold because I have done this. If there's a negative side to this method,
I
> haven't found it yet.
> As was described to us on this list last year, what we create is "content"
> which fills space between the ads. Our goal is to create the richest, most
> informative and interesting text possible so as to attract readers, which
> attracts advertisers. While many publishers are content to print what I
call
> pabulum, the same old reconstituted stuff, our quest is to raise the bar,
> but that's another whole topic.
> --
> Larry Maupin
> Maupin Photography
> larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net
> 214/341-3933
>
> > From: Carol Deppe <caroldeppe@yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:51:34 +0000
> > To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> > Subject: [GWL]: photo ideas for magazine articles
> >
> > Might certain companies be
> > interested in an ad near or within my article?  The editor would love to
> > hear about it early, so as to pass the word along to the advertising
> > director early enough to be useful.  A magazine article is a chunk that
> > fits within a bigger context.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:19:48 -0500
> From: "GLORIA  SCHECHTER" <prettydirtyladies@prodigy.net>
> Subject: opening Sunday
>
>
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> Dear Carol Deppe, I appreciate your comments about being a    newcomer.
> and
> Dear Liz Ball, thank you for your acknowledgement of my presentation at
the Phila flower show in the GWAA Quill & Trowel. It surprised me, as I am n
ot yet accustomed to seeing my name in print, let alone with all of you who
are published and "known"  on my personal bookshelf.
>
> As a reminder to all who may be attending the show on Sunday or Monday, I
will be sharing "Trade Secrets: Garden Design & Maintenance" / Pretty Dirty
Ladies, Inc. at 4PM & 5PM Sunday, March 3 and again at 4PM on Monday, March
4 at the (Front) Gardener's Studio. Please come by.
>
> Gloria (Schechter) Day
> prettydirtyladies@prodigy.net
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Carol Deppe, I
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> about being a&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; newcomer. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>and</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Liz Ball, thank you for your acknowledgement of
my
> presentation at the Phila flower show in the GWAA Quill &amp; Trowel. It
> surprised me, as I am not yet accustomed to seeing my name in print, let
alone
> with all of you who are published and "known"&nbsp; on my personal
bookshelf.
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>As a reminder to all who may be attending the show
on
> Sunday or Monday, I will be sharing "Trade Secrets: Garden Design &amp;
> Maintenance" / Pretty Dirty Ladies, Inc. at 4PM &amp; 5PM Sunday, March 3
and
> again at 4PM on Monday, March 4 at the (Front) Gardener's Studio. Please
come
> by.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Gloria (Schechter) Day</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><A
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:21:07 -0600
> From: Larry Maupin <larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Water gardens and fish/be informed!
>
>
> Here's a topic I know something about, but I'm not an expert. While
goldfish
> could escape from ponds into the wild during flood conditions, I seriously
> question how long a goldfish would survive among our natural predators. As
> an avid fisherman, I can tell you that goldfish are sold as bait all over
> the country for a reason -- they are slow and golden -- an easy catch for
> bass which inhabit the shallows and catfish which inhabit deeper water. It
> may seem "common sense" that goldfish might escape and eat vegetation,
eggs
> or fry (baby fish), but carry that common sense downstream a little
farther
> and make an informed recommendation, not one based on what one thinks may
be
> true. Don't sound the alarm unless there's really a fire. Talk to a game
> warden or freshwater biologist with your parks and wildlife department for
> some real insights, and let us know. We're all willing to learn and spread
> the truth.
> --
> Larry Maupin
> Maupin Photography
> larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net
> 214/341-3933
> > From: GardenLit@aol.com
> > Reply-To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:36:56 +0000
> > To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> > Subject: [GWL]: Water gardens and fish
> >
> > Since water gardens are so popular and goldfish are so appealing, well
> > advertised and available, writers might make a good story out of warning
> > the public. Or doing more research on the subject.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:29:11 -0800
> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Water gardens and fish/be informed!
>
>
> Actually, my son has done surveys of fish and amphibian populations, and
in
> going with him I've personally seen wild goldfish.   A few are wiley
enough
> to survive by staying under cover, and when they reproduce, there is
always
> a good number of non colored (wild type) offspring that survive and
quickly
> increase.  I could take you to ponds near the port of Portland (Oregon)
> where you can see the wild type "goldfish" swimming around.  They look a
lot
> like carp, but lack the barbels around the mouth that wild carp have.
> -Lon Rombough
> Grapes, writing, consulting, more, plus word on my grape book at
> http://www.bunchgrapes.com
>
> ----------
> >From: Larry Maupin <larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net>
> >To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> >Subject: Re: [GWL]: Water gardens and fish/be informed!
> >Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2002, 7:21 PM
> >
>
> >Here's a topic I know something about, but I'm not an expert. While
goldfish
> >could escape from ponds into the wild during flood conditions, I
seriously
> >question how long a goldfish would survive among our natural predators.
As
> >an avid fisherman, I can tell you that goldfish are sold as bait all over
> >the country for a reason -- they are slow and golden -- an easy catch for
> >bass which inhabit the shallows and catfish which inhabit deeper water.
It
> >may seem "common sense" that goldfish might escape and eat vegetation,
eggs
> >or fry (baby fish), but carry that common sense downstream a little
farther
> >and make an informed recommendation, not one based on what one thinks may
be
> >true. Don't sound the alarm unless there's really a fire. Talk to a game
> >warden or freshwater biologist with your parks and wildlife department
for
> >some real insights, and let us know. We're all willing to learn and
spread
> >the truth.
> >--
> >Larry Maupin
> >Maupin Photography
> >larrymaupin@sbcglobal.net
> >214/341-3933
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:53:45 +0100
> From: Penny Woodward <woodycoa@surf.net.au>
> Subject: Fishy escapees and fertilizer
>
>
>
> > Here's a topic I know something about, but I'm not an expert. While
goldfish
> > could escape from ponds into the wild during flood conditions, I
seriously
> > question how long a goldfish would survive among our natural predators.
As
> > an avid fisherman, I can tell you that goldfish are sold as bait all
over
> > the country for a reason -- they are slow and golden -- an easy catch
for
> > bass which inhabit the shallows and catfish which inhabit deeper water.
> Dear Larry and others, the following is an interesting site that lists the
> exotic fish that have been released or escaped in Australia and some of
the
> problems they have caused. It seems that goldfish can and do escape here
but
> are not a major problem compared to some of the others. Small koi or
> European carp are often sold here as goldfish, for domestic ponds, and
these
> certainly have caused many problems for our waterways and native fish over
> the years.
>
> http://www.nativefish.asn.au/exotics.html
>
> As an example of how something that is a disaster can sometimes be turned
> into a positive, our carp problems have become a positive for an
> enterprising business man who is harvesting carp from our rivers and
turning
> it into a garden fertilizer.  The following is an extract from a press
> release. Just thought it might interest you garden writers out there.
>
> "Charlie Carp is a new fertilizer made from whole European Carp caught in
> the inland river systems of Australia. The European Carp is a major pest,
> considered by many to be worse than rabbits. Gardeners are now helping to
> solve a pest problem and at the same time give a huge boost to their
> gardens, by using the recycled carp as a useful by product resource
> throughout Australia.
> With a good NPK balance, Charlie Carp can be used as a complete food
source
> on many plants, including natives."
>
> Cheers Penny
> Freelance writer and photographer. Author of "Garlic and Friends", "Penny
> Woodward's Australian Herbal", "Pest Repellent Plants" and "Asian Herbs
and
> Vegetables".
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:47:50 -0800
> From: "Tom Ogren" <tloallergyfree@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Fishy escapees and fertilizer
>
>
> For what it's worth, while trout fishing in a California mountain lake, I
> once caught a huge fish that put up a tremendous fight. I was thinking
> possible lake record trout.
>   My friends and I were all perfectly shocked when I finally pulled up the
> biggest goldfish I've ever seen---and no, it wasn't a Koi, but a regular
old
> goldfish, grown huge. Obviously, he (she?) had survived perfectly well
among
> all the natural predators there, both bass and trout.
>
> Tom
> PS. I quickly released the goldfish.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Penny Woodward" <woodycoa@surf.net.au>
> To: <Gardenwriters@topica.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:53 AM
> Subject: [GWL]: Fishy escapees and fertilizer
>
>
>
> > Here's a topic I know something about, but I'm not an expert. While
> goldfish
> > could escape from ponds into the wild during flood conditions, I
seriously
> > question how long a goldfish would survive among our natural predators.
As
> > an avid fisherman, I can tell you that goldfish are sold as bait all
over
> > the country for a reason -- they are slow and golden -- an easy catch
for
> > bass which inhabit the shallows and catfish which inhabit deeper water.
> Dear Larry and others, the following is an interesting site that lists the
> exotic fish that have been released or escaped in Australia and some of
the
> problems they have caused. It seems that goldfish can and do escape here
but
> are not a major problem compared to some of the others. Small koi or
> European carp are often sold here as goldfish, for domestic ponds, and
these
> certainly have caused many problems for our waterways and native fish over
> the years.
>
> http://www.nativefish.asn.au/exotics.html
>
> As an example of how something that is a disaster can sometimes be turned
> into a positive, our carp problems have become a positive for an
> enterprising business man who is harvesting carp from our rivers and
turning
> it into a garden fertilizer.  The following is an extract from a press
> release. Just thought it might interest you garden writers out there.
>
> "Charlie Carp is a new fertilizer made from whole European Carp caught in
> the inland river systems of Australia. The European Carp is a major pest,
> considered by many to be worse than rabbits. Gardeners are now helping to
> solve a pest problem and at the same time give a huge boost to their
> gardens, by using the recycled carp as a useful by product resource
> throughout Australia.
> With a good NPK balance, Charlie Carp can be used as a complete food
source
> on many plants, including natives."
>
> Cheers Penny
> Freelance writer and photographer. Author of "Garlic and Friends", "Penny
> Woodward's Australian Herbal", "Pest Repellent Plants" and "Asian Herbs
and
> Vegetables".
>
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