Re: A Rant or a Post?

**D* G* <g*@gmail.com>**

 Re vinegar recipes.  

My tests show that household vinegar at 3% acetic acid is essentially useless as a weedkiller unless you're after very tender seedlings and even then it may be the salt/oil in the recipe that's doing the killing.

I don't get a good kill until i get up to the 10% household cleaner vinegar although you can get a lesser kill with the 7% pickling vinegar. I have a  source for 20% acetic acid and that stuff burns the ***** out of plants.  Note the stronger vinegars will also "corrode" the sprayer if left sitting over the winter -  and the vegetable oil can solidify in cooler temperatures to clog nozzles.

I use a dash of soap as a surfactant and a few tablespoons of the cheapest vegetable oil per gallon of vinegar.   

The oil does seem to add to the kill rate.

The salt didn't help my kill one way or the other - I no longer use it.

All tests were done on dandelion, Scotch thistle, Aegopodium, and Potentilla neumanniana Nana along with an assortment of seedlings that happened to get in the way.

My .02

> On May 24, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Molly Day <mollyday1@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Birds and Blooms recommends a gallon of vinegar with 1 oz dish soap. What
> are the other recipes you use?
> Thanks, Martha aka Molly
> 
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Tim Wood <Tim@springmeadownursery.com>
> wrote:
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>> Let me be clear. I have no problem with posts about glyphosate, pro or
>> con, but daily, tedious rants with superfluous repetition and without
>> punctuation approximates spam or trolling to me. I only ask Mr. London (and
>> others) to provide credentials (if one speaks as an expert), to make a
>> coherent argument, provide an opinion, a link, or perhaps pose a question
>> and then go on. We all have Google, Wikipedia, ResearchGate, etc. to do
>> further research.
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>> I enjoy this forum, the topics covered and everyone's opinion and thus
>> prefer not unsubscribe, just because one person turns it into their daily
>> diatribe.
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>> Personally, I prefer to use vinegar with soap and water to kill weeds.
>> It's cheap, the ingredients are readily available, it is unquestionably
>> safe, and it is effective if applied on a hot sunny day. There are a lot of
>> recipes out there, just Google it.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Tim Wood
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>> I agree Sally. Let's hear both sides. I'm all for trying to keep an open
>> mind and getting the facts.
>> Reading everything I can before I report. It's no secret to my regular
>> column readers that I am all organic though. Future column is about
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