Re: A Rant or a Post?

**C* E* <c*@catrionatudorerler.com>**

Thank you! I’ve used boiling water, but your recipe sounds better. Where do
you get the vinegar?
Catriona
P.S. I like that we’re talking alternatives to RoundUp, rather than just
complaining about “ain’t it awful” and attacking each other.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:00 AM Doug Green <gardeningemail@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Re vinegar recipes.
>
> My tests show that household vinegar at 3% acetic acid is essentially
> useless as a weedkiller unless you're after very tender seedlings and even
> then it may be the salt/oil in the recipe that's doing the killing.
>
> I don't get a good kill until i get up to the 10% household cleaner
> vinegar although you can get a lesser kill with the 7% pickling vinegar. I
> have a  source for 20% acetic acid and that stuff burns the ***** out of
> plants.  Note the stronger vinegars will also "corrode" the sprayer if left
> sitting over the winter -  and the vegetable oil can solidify in cooler
> temperatures to clog nozzles.
>
> I use a dash of soap as a surfactant and a few tablespoons of the cheapest
> vegetable oil per gallon of vinegar.
>
> The oil does seem to add to the kill rate.
>
> The salt didn't help my kill one way or the other - I no longer use it.
>
> All tests were done on dandelion, Scotch thistle, Aegopodium, and
> Potentilla neumanniana Nana along with an assortment of seedlings that
> happened to get in the way.
>
> My .02
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Molly Day <mollyday1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Birds and Blooms recommends a gallon of vinegar with 1 oz dish soap. What
> > are the other recipes you use?
> > Thanks, Martha aka Molly
> >
> > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Tim Wood <Tim@springmeadownursery.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Let me be clear. I have no problem with posts about glyphosate, pro or
> >> con, but daily, tedious rants with superfluous repetition and without
> >> punctuation approximates spam or trolling to me. I only ask Mr. London
> (and
> >> others) to provide credentials (if one speaks as an expert), to make a
> >> coherent argument, provide an opinion, a link, or perhaps pose a
> question
> >> and then go on. We all have Google, Wikipedia, ResearchGate, etc. to do
> >> further research.
> >>
> >> I enjoy this forum, the topics covered and everyone's opinion and thus
> >> prefer not unsubscribe, just because one person turns it into their
> daily
> >> diatribe.
> >>
> >> Personally, I prefer to use vinegar with soap and water to kill weeds.
> >> It's cheap, the ingredients are readily available, it is unquestionably
> >> safe, and it is effective if applied on a hot sunny day. There are a
> lot of
> >> recipes out there, just Google it.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Tim Wood
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> >>   2. Re: Glyphosate update (frielster@aol.com)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 10:55:04 -0400
> >> From: "Gloria Day" <gloriaday@epix.net>
> >> To: "'Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum'"
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> >> I agree Sally. Let's hear both sides. I'm all for trying to keep an open
> >> mind and getting the facts.
> >> Reading everything I can before I report. It's no secret to my regular
> >> column readers that I am all organic though. Future column is about
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> >> I started gardening 40 years ago living near the Rodale Research Center.
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> >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 11:39:22 -0400
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> >> Lawrence London, please don't stop.
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