Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES
- Subject: Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES
- From: &* B* -* W* F* N* <i*@daylily.net>
- Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:08:43 -0400
Chick, I am a supporter of registering plants with the appropriate
international registration authority, in this case, the American Hosta
Society. If you really want use the name "Bridgewood 0017" then I recommend
a variation of it. However, the name that you would have to submit that
meets the guidelines of the ICNCP is "BRIG-0017" or even "BRIG0017WD". I
know these two variations look more like seedling numbers in actuality, but,
they are acceptable when you read Article 19.27 which states: "A cultivar
epithet may also be in the form of a code of up to 10 characters excluding
spaces and that consists of no more than four alternating sets of a letter
or letters and a number or numbers."
At the end of 1999 I submitted the name "Y2K" for the registration of a
daylily. It was initially rejected, so I appealed the decision. It was
rejected based upon the 1995 ICNCP rules in that it resembled a seedling
number. However, in my appeal I commented that Y2K is actually a
recognizable word in America and most parts of the world since you could not
pick up a newspaper in this country without reading a reference to Y2K and
everyone knew exactly what it meant. I bet if I had tried that name 10
years earlier then I would not have won the appeal.
Bobby
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chick" <chick@bridgewoodgardens.com>
To: <hosta-open@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES
> Well, there's another twist. That's probably why I was told I couldn't
> do it in the first place.
>
> The only thing I can think of that I have in common with Dubya is that I
> hate nuance, so I'll probably do it anyway if I feel like it. It just
> means that I can't register the plant as 'Bridgewood 0017'. Since I never
> planned to do that anyway I guess the whole question was more a matter of
> curiosity anyway because I started seeing names with digits in them after
> I was told I couldn't do it. I thought it was just another case of
> people picking on me again. Now I find that it's just one of those damn
> nuances.
>
> Chick
>
> Bobby Baxter - Wake Forest, NC wrote:
>
> Chick, I believe that the name Hosta 'Bridgewood 007' should be rejected
> based on Article 19.27, Ex. 48 of the February 2004 ICNCP. Your
proposed
> name could easily be considered as a "collector's reference number" or
> hybridizers's seedling number. Your proposed name also exceeds the 10
> character limit of 19.27 in how it relates to "coded epithets." I think
the
> ICNCP is clear in this regard as outlined on page 27 of the 2004 ICNCP.
>
> There are many nuances in The Code but I feel that once you start
working
> with the ICNCP on a daily basis, then it becomes more clear and you can
see
> the logic behind it. When considering a new epithet, then you must only
> consider how the ICNCP affects each individual proposed name.
>
> You should not say that if "Name 1" is allowed, then "Name 2" must be
> allowed. This is the comparision you mentioned in your letter between
H.
> 'Apollo 13' and H. 'Bridgeport 007'. Article 19.16 addresses the
proposed
> name of H. 'Apollo 13' and Article 19.27 addresses the proposed name of
H.
> 'Bridgeport 007'. Each name must be considered on its individual merits
and
> relationship with the ICNCP.
>
> Chick, I believe the ICNCP is very clear in this matter and I recommend
that
> you obtain a copy of it.
>
> Bobby Baxter
> Happy Moose Gardens http://happymoosegardens.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chick" <chick@bridgewoodgardens.com> To:
<hosta-open@hort.net> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES
>
> Thanks Kevin,
>
> I have to admit that rules irritate me, but in this case I asked for
it
> so I have only myself to blame.
>
> The reason I'm asking is that I am not a big fan of naming, nor or
> registering, streaked plants unless they are truly unusual and
> outstanding for some reason. Obviously there are many who disagree
> because I see all kinds of plants being named that don't look any
> different than the hundreds of streaked plants I produce every year -
> thousands if you count the ones I throw out. I can't see any reason to
> introduce a streaked plant unless it's an outstanding breeder, and
that
> doesn't mean just any streaked plant that will produce additional
> ordinary streaked plants.
>
> Anyway, I digress (does it seem that there's always a rant attached to
> my questions?). I do have some streaked plants that I consider
> outstanding breeders and I have considered offering them for sale in
the
> future. Generally I number the seedlings I use for breeding and don't
> give them a name unless they stabilize into something I find
> interesting. I think I was once told that I could not name a plant
> 'Bridgewood 0017 ' legally because it didn't conform to the rules. It
> would seem to me that if 'Apolo 13' is legal, then 'Bridgewood 0017'
> would be too. Yes?
>
> Chick
>
> Giboshiman@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:36:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
chick@bridgewoodgardens.com writes:
>
> Actually, I'm not bored. Does it say anywhere in there whether
digits
> are allowed in hosta names? That's really all I was wondering
about.
>
> Chick
>
> Chick I know it scares you when I send anything that relates to
rules but
>
> in
>
> this case I think you will like the answer I am giving you to your
>
> question!
>
> The relevant sections ("articles") of the 2004 version of the code
>
> follow:
>
> 19.15 For a cultivar name to be established on or after 1 January
1996,
>
> its
>
> epithet must
> consist of no more than 30 characters (Roman letters, numbers, and
>
> permitted
>
> punctuation marks or symbols) overall, excluding spaces and the
>
> demarcating
>
> marks.
> Ex. 24. After 1 January 1996 a name with the cultivar epithet
"Madame
>
> la
>
> Comtesse Oswald de Kerchove de Denterghem" could not be
established.
>
> 19.16. A cultivar name may not be established if on or after 1
January
>
> 2004
>
> its epithet
> consists solely of a single letter or solely of Arabic or Roman
>
> numerals.
>
> Ex. 25. Names containing the epithets "K", "400", and "MMIV"
cannot be
> established, but the epithets "Hundred", "10 Downing Street", "451
Ocean
> Boulevard", "77 Sunset Strip", "Apollo 13", "Catch 22", "Henry
VIII",
>
> "Pope Leo X",
>
> "4th July", and "Happy 21st Birthday" could be established.
>
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