Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES

 Well, there's another twist.  That's probably why I was told I couldn't
do it in the first place. 

The only thing I can think of that I have in common with Dubya is that I
hate nuance, so I'll probably do it anyway if I feel like it.  It just
means that I can't register the plant as 'Bridgewood 0017'. Since I never
planned to do that anyway I guess the whole question was more a matter of
curiosity anyway because I started seeing names with digits in them after
I was told I couldn't do it.  I thought it was just another case of
people picking on me again.  Now I find that it's just one of those damn
nuances.

Chick

Bobby Baxter - Wake Forest, NC wrote:

  Chick, I believe that the name Hosta 'Bridgewood 007' should be rejected
  based on Article 19.27, Ex. 48 of the February 2004 ICNCP.  Your proposed
  name could easily  be considered as a "collector's reference number" or
  hybridizers's seedling number.  Your proposed name also exceeds the 10
  character limit of 19.27 in how it relates to "coded epithets."  I think the
  ICNCP is clear in this regard as outlined on page 27 of the 2004 ICNCP.
  
  There are many nuances in The Code but I feel that once you start working
  with the ICNCP on a daily basis, then it becomes more clear and you can see
  the logic behind it.  When considering a new epithet, then you must only
  consider how the ICNCP affects each individual proposed name.
  
  You should not say that if "Name 1" is allowed, then "Name 2" must be
  allowed.  This is the comparision you mentioned in your letter between H.
  'Apollo 13' and H. 'Bridgeport 007'.  Article 19.16 addresses the proposed
  name of H. 'Apollo 13' and Article 19.27 addresses the proposed name of H.
  'Bridgeport 007'.  Each name must be considered on its individual merits and
  relationship with the ICNCP.
  
  Chick, I believe the ICNCP is very clear in this matter and I recommend that
  you obtain a copy of it.
  
  Bobby Baxter
  Happy Moose Gardens  http://happymoosegardens.com  

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Chick"   <chick@bridgewoodgardens.com>  To:   <hosta-open@hort.net>  Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:44 PM
  Subject: Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES

    Thanks Kevin,
    
    I have to admit that rules irritate me, but in this case I asked for it
    so I have only myself to blame.
    
    The reason I'm asking is that I am not a big fan of naming, nor or
    registering, streaked plants unless they are truly unusual and
    outstanding for some reason.  Obviously there are many who disagree
    because I see all kinds of plants being named that don't look any
    different than the hundreds of streaked plants I produce every year -
    thousands if you count the ones I throw out. I can't see any reason to
    introduce a streaked plant unless it's an outstanding breeder, and that
    doesn't mean just any streaked plant that will produce additional
    ordinary streaked plants.
    
    Anyway, I digress (does it seem that there's always a rant attached to
    my questions?).  I do have some streaked plants that I consider
    outstanding breeders and I have considered offering them for sale in the
    future.  Generally I number the seedlings I use for breeding and don't
    give them a name unless they stabilize into something I find
    interesting.  I think I was once told that I could not name a plant
    'Bridgewood 0017 ' legally because it didn't conform to the rules.  It
    would seem to me that if 'Apolo 13' is legal, then 'Bridgewood 0017'
    would be too.  Yes?
    
    Chick
    
    Giboshiman@aol.com     wrote:

      In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:36:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,      chick@bridgewoodgardens.com       writes:
      
      Actually, I'm not bored.  Does it say anywhere in there whether  digits
      are allowed in hosta names?  That's really all I was wondering  about.
      
      Chick

      Chick I know it scares you when I send anything that relates to rules but

  in

      this case I think you will like the answer I am giving you to your

  question!

      The relevant sections ("articles") of the 2004 version of the code

  follow:

      19.15 For a cultivar name to be established on or after 1 January 1996,

  its

      epithet must
      consist of no more than 30 characters (Roman letters, numbers,  and

  permitted

      punctuation marks or symbols) overall, excluding spaces and  the

  demarcating

      marks.
      Ex. 24.  After 1 January 1996 a name with the  cultivar epithet "Madame

  la

      Comtesse Oswald de Kerchove de Denterghem" could not  be established.
      
      19.16. A cultivar name may not be established if on or after 1 January

  2004

      its epithet
      consists solely of a single letter or solely of Arabic or  Roman

  numerals.

      Ex. 25.  Names containing the epithets "K", "400", and  "MMIV" cannot be
      established, but the epithets "Hundred", "10 Downing Street",  "451 Ocean
      Boulevard", "77 Sunset Strip", "Apollo 13", "Catch 22", "Henry VIII",

  "Pope Leo X",

      "4th July", and "Happy 21st Birthday" could be established.
      
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