Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES

Hey Bill,

The daylily registration process continues to evolve just like all the other
IRA's.  The one consistency is the ICNCP "rule book."  The daylily Registrar
reviews each submitted name.  After this review each name is submitted to
the full "Registrations Committee" along with the Registrar's recommendation
for each name.  Sometime the recommendation is to reject because the name is
already used or is in direct conflict with an existing rule (the reason is
always stated). This is all done via email and the process is efficient and
timely.  After final committee review the registrant is notified of the
decision.  All decisions are subject to an appeal process.  The first level
of appeal is back to the Registration Committee, the second level is to the
AHS Board of Director's, if still unsatisfied, the final appeal is to the
International Union of Biological Sciences Commission for the Nomenclature
of Cultivated Plants.

I was the first to test of the rules of the previous version of the ICNCP
rules several years in a daylily registration. I submitted the name "A Moose
Fishing On A Pond On Monday".  The registrar recommended to the committee
that the name be denied but the committee overruled her because the ICNCP at
the time stated that names could have up to 30 characters, excluding spaces,
and up to ten syllables.  I was not upset with the Registrar and we remain
happily married.

I am not aware of the appeal process within the Hosta society but feel that
any decision could ultimately be appealed to the IUBS.

We just started growing hostas this year, and next year will be my first
year of making crosses.  Hopefully a few years later I will register my
first  hosta.

Thank you for enjoying our web site.  That is another passion that has
gotten out of control.

Bobby

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Meyer" <njhosta@hotmail.com>
To: <hosta-open@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: NUMBERS IN HOSTA NAMES


> Hi Bobby,
>       Nice website. I see that you're more experienced with daylilies than
> hostas. A big difference between the AHemS and the AHosS is that the
> Hemerocallis society has its own registration rules in addition to the
ICNCP
> code. All in all their system is much more developed than the Hosta
society
> system at this time. The code as you've seen is very open to
interpretation
> in many areas and decisions could go either way in a situation like
Chick's.
> The AHemS has the advantage of some society rules to help clear up how
> things should be interpreted for daylily registrations, while the AHosS
> leaves it totally up to the Registrar.
>       With hosta names, the decision to accept a name lies wholly in the
> Registrar's hands. I believe the Registrar does seek input from the
> Registrars of other genera when difficult issues arise, but the decision
is
> wholly his to make, as long as it does fit within the often vague
boundaries
> of the code.
>        I prefer the idea of a society having rules on registration rather
> than leaving all decisions to an individual registrar. I've recommended to
> the AHosS Board that we look into putting such rules together. We recently
> had a big flare-up about registration issues which revolved around people
> not registering their plants "soon enough". With no clear rules from the
> society on when (or even if) we should register a plant, there is too much
> room for disagreement. I believe that in the near future we will see a set
> of rules and guidelines from the AHosS that will resolve some questions
like
> Chick's naming quandary.
>                                   ........Bill Meyer

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