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RE: Fire and Ice vs Loyalist

  • Subject: RE: Fire and Ice vs Loyalist
  • From: "James M. Anderson" <JmaHosta@WinterberryFarms.com>
  • Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:31:43 -0400
  • Importance: Normal


I hope you do not think that I condone putting the wrong name on a Hosta
variety because I do not.  We have been careful to give each sport we find a
new name (if it warrants it) and to keep all varieties separate.  However,
there are growers who do not have much respect for variety names and will
call a plant whatever sells.  It would be better if it did not happen, but
it does.  Minuteman and Patriot are mixed up in the trade with many plants
sold as Patriot being Minuteman.  For H. Elegans it is so bad that we now
assume that there is no variety called Elegans.  I was mealy pointing out
that Fire and Ice, Loyalist, and Flash of Light will probably get mixed up
in the trade.

Remember these plants are all sports of Patriot, not sports of Loyalist.
They are independent sports and therefore require different names.

Jim Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com
[mailto:owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com]On Behalf Of HoroRL@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:41 AM
To: hosta-open@mallorn.com
Subject: Re: Fire and Ice vs Loyalist

In a message dated 6/30/01 18:30:55 Eastern Daylight Time,
JmaHosta@WinterberryFarms.com writes:

<< All three Patriot sports appeared independently, at about
 the same time, from TC.  Flash of Light looks a lot like Fire and Ice (the
 little twist in the leaves), but grows like Loyalist (fast). >>
Good morning, All:

I do not agree with Jim's thoughts about "renaming" some the sports (some or
all) raises an issue that resurfaces from the sports of 'Sum and Substance'
or the sports of 'Francis Williams.'

In this case, there are the sports of 'Loyalist' that look the same.  But
have different growth habits, it doesn't make logical sense nor scientific
sense to rename the hosta.  The growers should take the responsible to
identify what they have purchased; so that, they don't confuse or
misrepresent themselves or the hosta they are claiming to be selling to the

Wasn't there an agreement (?) that when hosta sports; they look identical;
they're from two different gardens or from the same or different TC lab,
the sports are different?


Rich Horowitz
Stoughton MA

The science is above my present knowledge.  So, we should hear comments from
Jim Hawes, Dan Nelson & Preston Littleton (hostasports), and Ben Z.
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