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Re: Fire and Ice vs Loyalist {verses Bullshit?}

  • Subject: Re: Fire and Ice vs Loyalist {verses Bullshit?}
  • From: Jim Hawes <hawesj@atlantic.net>
  • Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:35:42 -0400

Hi Bill,

Your posts are always entertaining, Bill. Since this was your intent, you have succeeded  in making  us all laugh or at least smile.

There have been worse things that have happened in the commercialization  of hostas than what you have suggested..i.e. labelling green reversions of variegated hostas by the progenitor name. While a "purist" might frown on this, who among us is pure? See, I can be entertaining too.

BTW, I and others, I'm sure,   enjoyed your photo of the red hosta in Canada.. Of course,  I saw it in person when you traveled to Maryland before the convention. Nice to hear from you.

Bill Nash wrote:

> Jimbo (Wizard of AH's) aka Jim Hawes  ..firstly "Welcome home!" (to'Florida that is and U needs a good Cabana-boy right? <g>) ..and ya'better points your fan Northward JImmy, cuz our temps be droppin quickly; and the north west wind of today, haz freezin my b'AHS OFF, so I'm besides this computer, simply tryin to warm up? ;))
>     JIM HAWES WROTE:  << "I think the key to understanding the meaning of this question is to look into
> the historical basis to prove whether a parent of a given sport has the same clonal relationship to a parent of another sport in question. My hunch is
> that if we could prove historical clonal relationships of the parents of sports in question, we might be able to prove that sports in question are
> identical because of this clonal background similarity....i.e the parents may be historical clones which is the basis for the similarity (or better,
> the identicality). "
> IDENTICALITY = Biology. Of or relating to a twin or twins developed from the same fertilized ovum and having the same genetic makeup and closely similar appearance {good wording there Jim'Bo}
> MY QUESTION; and I believe this has come up several times previously, but I don't recall what the final conclusion on this debate was exactly? ..nor do I care!
> *REVERSED MUTATIONS? <-> and labelling them, as same (by their pedigree & clock coloring criteria!)!*
> PREAMBLE; and here is, an example of what I do do: for example, when I propagate certain named hosta-types for the purpose of selling them wholesale to Nurseries.  I am not in the habit of culling (trashing?) named plants, which I paid my good & hard earned cash-money for/to acquire new hostas, so here's some examples:
> 1) June hosta ...reverts back to it's green parental form, so a *Halcyon* label goes on it and it is sold as same!
> 2) Great Expectations ...the reverse-sporting moves back to all green = H. seiboldiana Elegans label goes on it and they are moved out likewise.
> 3) Undulata Univitata ...becomes a stable green = sold as Erromena!
> 4) Choko Nishiki/on stage ..green revertion = are sold as straight montanas; 12 oclock color position.
> 5) Etcetera... and so forth... by leaf coloring, the hosta wheel formulas and pedigrees of the hostas?
> Conclusion ...I personally don't care, what anyone thinks about my labelling procedures <<it's just a hobby to me?>>and since, I'm not about to begin, to grow any hostas for several years; and then, go about trashing them because they reverted into one of it's parental forms, or another <--and--> I don't see any problem, with this kind of label-maneuvering? ..done on purpose! -- DO YOU? LOL!
>         Whether the Patriot mutation, sitting at 10/11 oclock by it's leaf coloring, is labelled Loyalist, or "fire n' ice" <-> DOES ANYONE HONESTLY THINK!   ..anybody, really cares?  The Buyer and/or seller-nursery, for example, want a nice white medio-hosta when they bought/sold it, so do you seriously think they care if we even labelled it *NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS* for that matter; and particularly when, the Nursery sees/meets their 1000 per cent marked-up retail-pricing; and the consumer, got the white centered hosta, desired in the first place?
> the above, is simply my viewpoint, the way I see it, from where I'm sitting: and that's exactly how it's done here! ..thank you very much?
> :-Bb))
> "to label or not to label" <<a Billy'bub Shakespearean_pun>>
> ps ...there are no signs at my place reading *HOSTAS FOR SALE* and I don't sell any hostas!  I do do a lotta horse-trading tho' <-> with hostas that is? ..and foolin around to!  It's just a game to me <<not a business - I do have a full time jog>>:  to kick-away the boredom of having nuttin better to do?  BTW ...This is a long weekend in Canada, so what else would I do for fun & laughter, if I didn't have a quad'zillion hosta labels to make & play with for y'all? *LOL*
> They tell me, hired help does mis'label, but then, I have no hired help here ...just a one-man Donkey!  ...no riders allowed? "tata" & "gid'dee'yup ya'ole mule"?

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