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RE: no subject and New Column

  • Subject: RE: no subject and New Column
  • From: "Mary Chastain" <mc_hosta@Bellsouth.net>
  • Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:37:28 -0400
  • Importance: Normal

Hi Jim, This time I feel that you are looking beyond what is being said. I
understand and feel the Glem only wants to offer a much needed article to
the Journal. The majority of its readers are having trouble with so much
scientific material. The average member wants to know about growing hosta
and what is considered the better ones to grow, how to improve their
gardening skills etc. Glen is offering an excellent opportunity for a lot of
people not on the robin or hosta open to gain from others experience. It is
an opportunity to share and to grow as writers for the future. As with all
of the others that give their time and energy to the journal I feel that we
owe Glen a big thank you for undertaking the project. This is just as we all
owe you and others for all the wonderful information and help you have
shared with so many. This is an effort to share on all levels and will not
be everyone's thing but then nothing in this world meets the needs of all.
Still waiting to hear of your next visit,

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com
[mailto:owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hawes
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:12 AM
To: hosta-open@mallorn.com; hawesj@atlantic.net; gw1944@vermontel.net
Subject: no subject and New Column


I have read the two recent  posts that Glen Williams  has asked that you
forward to hosta-open readers.
There seems to be something behind or within the posts that are puzzling
to me. I wondered if they  appeared puzzling to other readers as well.
Let me try to summarize how I interpreted  these posts.

Glen explained that he was proposing a New Question/Answer Column in the
Hosta Journal in which he would be the Arbitrator for selection of
questions to be answered  by appropriate people  he would select. The
criteria  of the questions and answers to be selected would be whether
information being discussed was a fact or merely an opinion about a
subject.. The ground rules included  the prohibition of any questions
and answers on hosta politics. Glen would use the hosta robins and their
members as resources for these questions and answers. He solicited
questions and expected hundreds by Sunday.

In my mind red flags started to wave, sirens went off and ringing and
clanging bells suggested that huge trucks with loads of large rocks were
backing up, indicating DANGER. I asked myself "What is happening?" Why
doesn't Glen subscribe to hosta-open and discuss this with everyone
there directly? Is he going to continue discussion each time through
you? No offence intended, but this seems very clumsy to me.

Now my questions to Glen....What is hosta politics?  Is this an attempt
by someone in political power  (such as a former secret hosta policeman,
for example) to control others  by restrictions/rules/ regulations? Does
being an Arbitrator give one person power and authority to decide Truth
(also known as facts) from Fiction (also called mere opinion)? Does
selection of questions and "correct"  answers
give undue power and manipulative control to one person? And/or  his
friends? Who decides whether the Arbitrator is competent in science ,
for example, to determine fact from opinion?....the Arbitrator himself?

Hosta-open was created as a media to openly discuss hosta subjects of
all kinds . It is doing fine with freedom of expression available for
all to use , express and judge for themselves. I suggest that Glen may
wish to rejoin Hosta-open and find this out for himself.....but that he
leave any attempts at Manipulation and Control  of others with Phoenix.
It is not acceptable at Hosta-open....AND THAT'S A FACT.

Jim Hawes

Barbara wrote:
Glen asked me to post this to the Open Robin. Here is your chance to
help the

Date:    Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:44:51 +0100
From:    Glen Williams <gw1944@VERMONTEL.NET>
Subject: Your Questions Please

                                Questions Wanted

I would  really appreciate as many questions as possible from the
hosta-robin-people for the new Hosta Journal Column.  The title of the
column was going to be Facts and Opinions on Hostas.  There are some
good suggestions out there so I will hold off  with a final title. But,
mention  the original title because it suggests  just what we are
for:   questions which can be answered with facts as well as questions
which will tolerate only opinions. Much of hostadom is still at the
stage....but making steady and stoloniferous process  toward facts. Any
question and answer column needs to respond to both.

The audience for such a column is the general hosta  rank and file
membership, an audience that probably is not as obsessive/compulsive as
many of us are on the hosta robins.They have a real life from May -
September....and don't  raise seedlings in the winter.  They are good
people who simply would like to learn more with just a little effort. We

aim to please. Then they will buy more hostas, become obsessed , and
their children after  prominent hostas.

There have been a lot of  wonderful questions and answers over the past
years on the robins. Any of those  (with the response) would be a great
resource. The next resource is you and what you've always wanted to ask
did , but got no answer, or were afraid to ask, because  you did not
anyone to know that  you didn't know what a chimera or a peduncle  was.
Perhaps it is the unasked questions that you did not want to be seen
because they appeared so basic i.e. watering, fertilizing,
transplanting.......that need asking.    All is fair game for this
It won't be a vehicle for hosta politics, but certainly wanting to know
something about hosta history , our early and later day  hybridizers,
consumer information, questions about plants and hosta people...it's
open, with the one exception.

So please send me a list of your questions  ( even if they have been
answered previously), subjects you would like to see explored through
questions, opinion questions, fact questions, rumors, myths.....nearly
anything  that the general, non-rabid gardener would want to know about
hostas.  Maybe some questions for rabid hosta gardeners would be a good
thing too(there must be some short answers to some  short scientific
questions).  You can send them to me privately or publicly,  e-mail
; gw1944@vermontel.net , phone 802-885-2839, or by snail mail : Glen
Williams, 20 Dewey St., Springfield , Vermont 05156.

The weekend is nearly here. Search the nooks and crannies of your mind.
you want the questions published anonymously that  can be done.  I hope
be looking at 100's of questions by Sunday.  Then I will start the
for those people who can answer the questions.  Thanks and thanks again.

glen W.

From the heart of summer in Vermont.... where it is cool and sunny and
the tourists raise their hands to ask directions.
Glen Williams
20 Dewey St.
Springfield , Vermont
Tel: 802-885-2839


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