[Rose-list] Re: ?mushroom? compost/rose rust

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Hi Janice,

I love learning on these lists and chatting with other garden folks. 

To grow great roses you need to:
1~ Find out which roses do well in your zone or area.
2~ Find out what you have to do to ammend your soil, if any.
3~ Besure that your the roses have the amount of sun they need.
4~ Buy roses that are as disease free as possible, for your area. 
5~ Plant the roses a good ammended hole.
6~ Water well until it is established. Not overhead if possible.
7~ Feed it the nessesary nutrients to keep it healthy.
8~ Mulch and compost. 
9~ Keep your eyes open to pest and disease.
10~ Good Clean up of diseased and pests that will invaded leaves and
canes and possible "nesting" areas.

I'm no expert here and have just touched the surface of things to
look at.  I'm learning along with you, so some of this is basic
stuff, some the debates are still out, and I'm sure more could be
added to the list.   We can help answer these for you on this list.

The problem with systemic fertilizers is that the rose has to ''take
in'' the toxins that repell the bugs and disease. Most roses can't
continue ''eating'' this stuff for long without it taking a toll on
the health of the rose. That's why all this chat about compost. It
feeds the soil as nature itself breaks all things down.

I resently learned that plants are not as digestable for bugs as we
would think.  That it is only when a plant is stressed that it sends
out special amino-acids so that the bugs can then digest it.  So that
literally, healthy plants will not be as succeptible to pest.  The
more we look at the health of the soil and the rose, the less we have
to look at pest and disease.  Best preventive for disease is getting
a rose with good tolerance or resistance to disease and practice good
cleaning habits. Then use pest and disease as ''indicators'' that
your roses are ''off balance''. 

I've not tryed the baking soda remedy in a sprayer.. sounds great,
wonder if the soap would be any problem.  I thought someone listed
the ''recipe''... it's 1 gallon of water, 1 T. baking soda, 1 T.
vegetable oil, 1 t. to 1 T. liquid dish soap... I like the lemon
scented.  I've used it with awesome results for powdery mildew and
black spot, and I've had others report the same. Spray early in the
morning. 

Please feel free to ask questions... I find them interesting and
fun... always something to learn too.

Sincerely,       
~Carleen~
Keeper of Sheep & Old Roses
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> From: Henry  and Janice Jenkins <hjenkins@intop.net>
> To: rose-list@mallorn.com
> Subject: Re: [Rose-list] ?mushroom? compost/rose rust
> Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 1:50 PM
> 
> I have been on the list for about 2 weeks now and have just been
listening
> in trying to learn all I can..............I have been trying my
hand at
> flower gardening for 5 or 6 years now I guess, and am learning as I
grow
> (go)....Anyway, my favorite is roses, but have much trouble growing
them. I
> am trying the systemic fertilizer with some of them this year and
so far
> they are looking pretty good. I don't like using chemicals so I
would really
> like to know if there is a good alternative to this and also am
interested
> in the " baking soda and soap" remedy you are talking about.I have
much
> trouble with black spot! Are you speaking of dish washing liquid? I
have
> tried this in my hose end sprayer but have not heard of adding
baking soda.
> How much soap and how much baking soda per gallon of water? Can you
mix this
> in a pump up sprayer? If I discontinue the use of the systemic
fertilizer
> will have trouble with insects....what is your advice for this
problem? I
> know this is alot of questions, but I'm excited to see so much info
on this
> list. I have tried for years to have healthy , pretty roses without
much
> success!!
> Any help will be so appreciated!!
> 
> Janice Jenkins
> Zone 7
> Northeast MS

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