Re: [Rose-list] ?mushroom? compost/rose rust

**"* a* J* J* <h*@intop.net>**

I have been on the list for about 2 weeks now and have just been listening
in trying to learn all I can..............I have been trying my hand at
flower gardening for 5 or 6 years now I guess, and am learning as I grow
(go)....Anyway, my favorite is roses, but have much trouble growing them. I
am trying the systemic fertilizer with some of them this year and so far
they are looking pretty good. I don't like using chemicals so I would really
like to know if there is a good alternative to this and also am interested
in the " baking soda and soap" remedy you are talking about.I have much
trouble with black spot! Are you speaking of dish washing liquid? I have
tried this in my hose end sprayer but have not heard of adding baking soda.
How much soap and how much baking soda per gallon of water? Can you mix this
in a pump up sprayer? If I discontinue the use of the systemic fertilizer
will have trouble with insects....what is your advice for this problem? I
know this is alot of questions, but I'm excited to see so much info on this
list. I have tried for years to have healthy , pretty roses without much
success!!
Any help will be so appreciated!!

Janice Jenkins
Zone 7
Northeast MS

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>
>I have a question.  You know the baking soda/soap stuff we use on roses?

>Susan Saxton, zone 6b
>For mine is a little old fashioned garden where the flowers come
>together to praise the Lord and teach all who look upon them to do
>likewise.
>Celia Thaxter
>
>I AM in shape.  ROUND is a shape!
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: julieg1000@uswest.net [j*@uswest.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 10:12 AM
>> To: rose-list@mallorn.com
>> Subject: Re: [Rose-list] ?mushroom? compost/correction
>>
>>
>> Hi Susan,
>> Perhaps that is why I had never heard of the "mushroom
>> compost" The soil here is
>> very alkaline, thus my clematis are happy clams and my roses
>> look a little sad.
>> I was just outside surveying the premises and noticed again
>> how yellow my
>> evergreens are. I bought some Muracid (water soluable spray
>> on kind), but I was
>> just thinking, what could I put in the soil around my roses,
>> pines, rhodies,
>> azealias,yews,etc. to shange to the ph to more acidic? I am
>> guessing that
>> poppies, wildflowers and such prefer the alkaline???
>>   A few years ago, this would have never occured to me.  A
>> little information
>> can certainly improve ones garden.
>> Where did I read, if you have a dollar, spend  90 cents on
>> the soil and 10 cents
>> on the plant!
>> Julie in Utah
>>
>> Saxton, Susan wrote:
>>
>> > Actually, I think your reasoning was quite logical.  Garden
>> compost is
>> > ground up garden waste.  Why shouldn't mushroom compost be ground up
>> > mushrooms?
>> >
>> > But I would like to correct one thing.  I don't have the
>> information here
>> > with me at work, but mushroom compost is a lot more than
>> just manure,
>> > composted.  Whitney Farms puts out a neat little pamphlet
>> that explains
>> > their various products and what they are for.  I remember
>> reading about the
>> > mushroom compost and it is a specific blend of things,
>> including manure, but
>> > many other things too.  I believe they have a web site if
>> you want more
>> > information.
>> >
>> > Sounds like some of you are getting some "bad stuff" from
>> people who are
>> > disreputable and praying on people's lack of understanding about the
>> > differences.  Shame on them!
>> >
>> > Mushroom compost wouldn't be for "everyone" anyway.  Here
>> in Oregon we have
>> > very acidic soil, and mushroom compost is more alkaline, so
>> it probably
>> > balances out our soil.  But the rhodies and camellias I
>> have love acid soil,
>> > so I don't use the mushroom compost around them.  Just
>> garden compost.  But
>> > when I plant clematis, who are lime lovers (alkaline), not
>> only do I use the
>> > mushroom compost, but I add a handful of lime to the hole.
>> >
>> > If you lived somewhere with alkaline soil, depending on what you are
>> > growing, you might do more harm than good to your soil balance.
>> >
>> > I'm not smart enough to understand all the ins and outs of
>> ph, etc., etc.,
>> > about composting, but learning what type of soil you have
>> and what the
>> > plants you want to grow love is a slow process, but will
>> really enhance your
>> > results.  I figure I can just absorb a little bit at a time
>> of all there is
>> > to learn about gardening, so I just take it bit by bit and
>> do what I can,
>> > expanding my use of what I've learned each year!
>> >
>> > Susan Saxton, zone 6b
>> > For mine is a little old fashioned garden where the flowers come
>> > together to praise the Lord and teach all who look upon them to do
>> > likewise.
>> > Celia Thaxter
>> >
>> > I AM in shape.  ROUND is a shape!
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: julieg1000@uswest.net [j*@uswest.net]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:49 PM
>> > > To: rose-list@mallorn.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [Rose-list] ?mushroom? compost
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > GEEZ, What a dummy I am!  I thought you meant ground up
>> mushrooms or
>> > > something from their growing places, now that I find out, it
>> > > is plain old
>> > > poop, I'm not nearly as enthralled!
>> > > Julie in Utah
>> > >
>> > > elle wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Donna asked what mushroom compost consisted of..and it
>> > > appears that there
>> > > > are as many versions of this vague description as there
>> are places
>> > > > selling it.
>> > > > I got what I believe to be good old oregon steer poop
>> with some well
>> > > > rotten hay mixed in.
>> > > > Others have others have gotten a better mixture of steer
>> > > and compost.
>> > > > As I just got my 2nd delivery of roses from J&P today, I
>> > > will see the
>> > > > difference between planting the roses in soil amended
>> with steer and
>> > > > compost or soil just compost mixed in.
>> > > > I will dig in some steer around the roses planted last
>> week though.
>> > > > As for bulbs, I throw in a bulb food and compost when I
>> > > plant them..I
>> > > > haven't used bone meal for years for some reason..maybe
>> > > because I began
>> > > > composting.
>> > > > I really appreciate this list..I have gotten so many good
>> > > ideas saved for
>> > > > additions (sometime) to my mixed bed gardens and a new
>> > > interest in Old
>> > > > Roses.
>> > > >
>> > > >  elle/cedar mill OR
>> > > >  north end of the willamette valley
>> > > >  AHS heat zone 3
>> > > >  USDA Zone 6
>> > > >  Sunset Zone 8
>> > > >
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