RE: [Rose-list] ?mushroom? compost/rose rust

**"* S* <S*@schwabe.com>**

Ann Lovejoy basically says:  MAKE GOOD DIRT.  It really does cover a
multitude of problems when we do.

Mostly.

I have a question.  You know the baking soda/soap stuff we use on roses?
Does that work for rust too?  I don't think it claims to, but I can't
remember.  I have a newish climber that after 2 years is getting it this
year.  Probably due to our wet spring.

Anyone have organic suggestions for the rust?
Susan Saxton, zone 6b
For mine is a little old fashioned garden where the flowers come
together to praise the Lord and teach all who look upon them to do
likewise.
Celia Thaxter

I AM in shape.  ROUND is a shape!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: julieg1000@uswest.net [j*@uswest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 10:12 AM
> To: rose-list@mallorn.com
> Subject: Re: [Rose-list] ?mushroom? compost/correction
> 
> 
> Hi Susan,
> Perhaps that is why I had never heard of the "mushroom 
> compost" The soil here is
> very alkaline, thus my clematis are happy clams and my roses 
> look a little sad.
> I was just outside surveying the premises and noticed again 
> how yellow my
> evergreens are. I bought some Muracid (water soluable spray 
> on kind), but I was
> just thinking, what could I put in the soil around my roses, 
> pines, rhodies,
> azealias,yews,etc. to shange to the ph to more acidic? I am 
> guessing that
> poppies, wildflowers and such prefer the alkaline???
>   A few years ago, this would have never occured to me.  A 
> little information
> can certainly improve ones garden.
> Where did I read, if you have a dollar, spend  90 cents on 
> the soil and 10 cents
> on the plant!
> Julie in Utah
> 
> Saxton, Susan wrote:
> 
> > Actually, I think your reasoning was quite logical.  Garden 
> compost is
> > ground up garden waste.  Why shouldn't mushroom compost be ground up
> > mushrooms?
> >
> > But I would like to correct one thing.  I don't have the 
> information here
> > with me at work, but mushroom compost is a lot more than 
> just manure,
> > composted.  Whitney Farms puts out a neat little pamphlet 
> that explains
> > their various products and what they are for.  I remember 
> reading about the
> > mushroom compost and it is a specific blend of things, 
> including manure, but
> > many other things too.  I believe they have a web site if 
> you want more
> > information.
> >
> > Sounds like some of you are getting some "bad stuff" from 
> people who are
> > disreputable and praying on people's lack of understanding about the
> > differences.  Shame on them!
> >
> > Mushroom compost wouldn't be for "everyone" anyway.  Here 
> in Oregon we have
> > very acidic soil, and mushroom compost is more alkaline, so 
> it probably
> > balances out our soil.  But the rhodies and camellias I 
> have love acid soil,
> > so I don't use the mushroom compost around them.  Just 
> garden compost.  But
> > when I plant clematis, who are lime lovers (alkaline), not 
> only do I use the
> > mushroom compost, but I add a handful of lime to the hole.
> >
> > If you lived somewhere with alkaline soil, depending on what you are
> > growing, you might do more harm than good to your soil balance.
> >
> > I'm not smart enough to understand all the ins and outs of 
> ph, etc., etc.,
> > about composting, but learning what type of soil you have 
> and what the
> > plants you want to grow love is a slow process, but will 
> really enhance your
> > results.  I figure I can just absorb a little bit at a time 
> of all there is
> > to learn about gardening, so I just take it bit by bit and 
> do what I can,
> > expanding my use of what I've learned each year!
> >
> > Susan Saxton, zone 6b
> > For mine is a little old fashioned garden where the flowers come
> > together to praise the Lord and teach all who look upon them to do
> > likewise.
> > Celia Thaxter
> >
> > I AM in shape.  ROUND is a shape!
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: julieg1000@uswest.net [j*@uswest.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:49 PM
> > > To: rose-list@mallorn.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Rose-list] ?mushroom? compost
> > >
> > >
> > > GEEZ, What a dummy I am!  I thought you meant ground up 
> mushrooms or
> > > something from their growing places, now that I find out, it
> > > is plain old
> > > poop, I'm not nearly as enthralled!
> > > Julie in Utah
> > >
> > > elle wrote:
> > >
> > > > Donna asked what mushroom compost consisted of..and it
> > > appears that there
> > > > are as many versions of this vague description as there 
> are places
> > > > selling it.
> > > > I got what I believe to be good old oregon steer poop 
> with some well
> > > > rotten hay mixed in.
> > > > Others have others have gotten a better mixture of steer
> > > and compost.
> > > > As I just got my 2nd delivery of roses from J&P today, I
> > > will see the
> > > > difference between planting the roses in soil amended 
> with steer and
> > > > compost or soil just compost mixed in.
> > > > I will dig in some steer around the roses planted last 
> week though.
> > > > As for bulbs, I throw in a bulb food and compost when I
> > > plant them..I
> > > > haven't used bone meal for years for some reason..maybe
> > > because I began
> > > > composting.
> > > > I really appreciate this list..I have gotten so many good
> > > ideas saved for
> > > > additions (sometime) to my mixed bed gardens and a new
> > > interest in Old
> > > > Roses.
> > > >
> > > >  elle/cedar mill OR
> > > >  north end of the willamette valley
> > > >  AHS heat zone 3
> > > >  USDA Zone 6
> > > >  Sunset Zone 8
> > > >
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