I went for a drive with the my wife and we have been watching this house put in the landscape. Well today they must of had over 100 roses in 10 gallon pots. I spoke with the gentleman and he said he had won three Grand Championships. I asked if he plans on having any bus tours and he said Yes. He is not on the net but the his wife was. I asked if she could join us in our discussions. He asked me to come back any time and join the ARS. I think his name Knogus....? He lives in Tacoma/Federal Way area.....lots of roses....I know where to bring my aphids. Duncan