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Re: ants- Reply to some old posts Long

James Kirker wrote:
>
>    Feel better after your little tantrum?

        This seems important to you, enough that you are willing to save old
posts, distort the intent of them and them invent a rationale for your
dishonesty. So let's do continue.

>    What test is that?

James Kirker wrote:
> It seemed to me that the best
> way to refute the need for chemicals in a garden would be to wait until the
> end of the year , list my harvest and let Bill and others compare it to
> theirs.

        That test. Remember? You claimed that your organic methods gave you
better results than my "chemical" methods. I really don't have the
patience to list everything that's wrong with this but since you can't
seem to see the obvious, I guess I'll have to.
        Let's start with your premise.

James Kirker wrote: Bill's excuse for using chemicals in his garden

This is a lie. I didn't use chemicals. I have been doing organic
gardening for about 10 years. Before that I didn't have any land, but
learned to garden organically in the 70's when I lived for three years
on a Hindu commune. I am not now nor have I ever been an advocate of
using pesticides in Food Gardens. This is something you just made up.

        Your comparison:
James Kirker wrote: I have 9 beds which are planted with both vegetables
and flowers,

OK, how big is my garden, how much did I plant, what were my conditions,
did I have a drought, wind storms or hail? I think you must get the
point.

        Your general statement about the others on this list:

James Kirker wrote: list my harvest and let Bill and others compare it
to theirs.

Which ones that reported poor harvests were Organic gardeners? Which
used chemicals? Are you getting a shade of a clue?

> All the
> methods that I use and/or suggest to people to use are taken from organic
> gardening mags and books and have been tested in places such as Exeter
> University in Britain, U Cal at Davis etc.

        Please look up argument by authority. All the methods used by Pesticide
Gardeners have been tested at the same places and have been written up
in as many magazines. Doesn't make them better. See? It's a stupid
argument. You are making folk think that Organic Gardeners use Stupid
Arguments to support their methods. Stop it! It's embarrassing!

> You could
> also claim that if you had attracted the right beneficials, tachinid flies
> and toads to kill these pests, you would have gotten a larger harvest.
>     <<This is why I object to stupid arguments, not because
> I disagree with the results, but because if I endorse sloppy methods,
> that endorsement may come back to bite me.>>

        Read this again^^^^^^^

        You just don't get it. Perhaps you missed the posts on how I have
turned my yard from a chemical wasteland into a blooming ecosystem in
the two years since I bought this house. You are still thinking that I
am the nasty chemical enemy. Get over yourself. After trying organic
gardening for -ONE Year- you can't even responsibly report on your own
success, much less talk about my lack of it in one season.

>    See the above part of this post pertaining to where I get my organic
> gardening ideas and where and how those ideas are tested. I'd be very
> surprised if the methods these people use are sloppy.

        Please look up argument by authority. I am in my 7th or 8th year of
subscription to the same mag you seem to be having an orgasm over, does
that make everything in it wrong because I had a bad harvest... jeez!

>    <<Can't seem to find their way out of the Sixties",
> Earth-Loving/Human-Hating Kazinski-ites are doing Organic Gardening.
> That's not a way to win folk over. Suggesting alternatives is one thing,
> Haranguing folk is another.>>
>    I like the last part of your post here, perhaps you should take it to
> heart.

        You are either purposely obtuse or simple. You seem to have a vendetta
against me that causes you to distort posts so as to make me look like a
poisoner of endangered species or something. Then you wonder why I blast
your incompetent comparisons.
        Yet from your own admission you are the big poisoner who now has
(purportedly) repented his ways. Maybe you protest a little too much.

>   << you go on back to the dugout.>>

>    No, but I will go back out to my garden to bring in even more tomatoes,
> peppers, beans, eggplants.

        Yeah, sure, but then we already know that you are willing to distort
the facts. How can a gardener trust your reports of success when it is
obvious that you are not accurate on the simple things?
        Now I know you are going to want to respond to this and will make some
more meaningless protestations and appeals to authority, so let me just
say "I give up". From now on you can post as many lies as you like and I
will just read them and chuckle. Have at it.
        But, do not send email to my address, I am not willing to debate
privately with you. Post what you like on the list.
--
        Bill DeWitt
        East Central Florida
        Ask me why Worker's Compensation Laws need to be changed.

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