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Re: ants- Reply to some old posts Long

Private, Private, Private!  Take this ridiculous tantrum throwing
behavior (on both sides) private.  Really guys, my two year old has more
self=restraint!  Time outs seem to work well when he feels he has to have
a tantrum--maybe you should each put yourself in timeout for a bit, and
if you still feel the need to continue--DO IT PRIVATELY!!!


On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:01:32 -0400 Bill DeWitt
<TheMiller@THEIMAGEMILL.COM> writes:
>James Kirker wrote:
>>
>>    Feel better after your little tantrum?
>
>        This seems important to you, enough that you are willing to
>save old
>posts, distort the intent of them and them invent a rationale for your
>dishonesty. So let's do continue.
>
>>    What test is that?
>
>James Kirker wrote:
>> It seemed to me that the best
>> way to refute the need for chemicals in a garden would be to wait
>until the
>> end of the year , list my harvest and let Bill and others compare it
>to
>> theirs.
>
>        That test. Remember? You claimed that your organic methods
>gave you
>better results than my "chemical" methods. I really don't have the
>patience to list everything that's wrong with this but since you can't
>seem to see the obvious, I guess I'll have to.
>        Let's start with your premise.
>
>James Kirker wrote: Bill's excuse for using chemicals in his garden
>
>This is a lie. I didn't use chemicals. I have been doing organic
>gardening for about 10 years. Before that I didn't have any land, but
>learned to garden organically in the 70's when I lived for three years
>on a Hindu commune. I am not now nor have I ever been an advocate of
>using pesticides in Food Gardens. This is something you just made up.
>
>        Your comparison:
>James Kirker wrote: I have 9 beds which are planted with both
>vegetables
>and flowers,
>
>OK, how big is my garden, how much did I plant, what were my
>conditions,
>did I have a drought, wind storms or hail? I think you must get the
>point.
>
>        Your general statement about the others on this list:
>
>James Kirker wrote: list my harvest and let Bill and others compare it
>to theirs.
>
>Which ones that reported poor harvests were Organic gardeners? Which
>used chemicals? Are you getting a shade of a clue?
>
>> All the
>> methods that I use and/or suggest to people to use are taken from
>organic
>> gardening mags and books and have been tested in places such as
>Exeter
>> University in Britain, U Cal at Davis etc.
>
>        Please look up argument by authority. All the methods used by
>Pesticide
>Gardeners have been tested at the same places and have been written up
>in as many magazines. Doesn't make them better. See? It's a stupid
>argument. You are making folk think that Organic Gardeners use Stupid
>Arguments to support their methods. Stop it! It's embarrassing!
>
>> You could
>> also claim that if you had attracted the right beneficials, tachinid
>flies
>> and toads to kill these pests, you would have gotten a larger
>harvest.
>>     <<This is why I object to stupid arguments, not because
>> I disagree with the results, but because if I endorse sloppy
>methods,
>> that endorsement may come back to bite me.>>
>
>        Read this again^^^^^^^
>
>        You just don't get it. Perhaps you missed the posts on how I
>have
>turned my yard from a chemical wasteland into a blooming ecosystem in
>the two years since I bought this house. You are still thinking that I
>am the nasty chemical enemy. Get over yourself. After trying organic
>gardening for -ONE Year- you can't even responsibly report on your own
>success, much less talk about my lack of it in one season.
>
>>    See the above part of this post pertaining to where I get my
>organic
>> gardening ideas and where and how those ideas are tested. I'd be
>very
>> surprised if the methods these people use are sloppy.
>
>        Please look up argument by authority. I am in my 7th or 8th
>year of
>subscription to the same mag you seem to be having an orgasm over,
>does
>that make everything in it wrong because I had a bad harvest... jeez!
>
>>    <<Can't seem to find their way out of the Sixties",
>> Earth-Loving/Human-Hating Kazinski-ites are doing Organic Gardening.
>> That's not a way to win folk over. Suggesting alternatives is one
>thing,
>> Haranguing folk is another.>>
>>    I like the last part of your post here, perhaps you should take
>it to
>> heart.
>
>        You are either purposely obtuse or simple. You seem to have a
>vendetta
>against me that causes you to distort posts so as to make me look like
>a
>poisoner of endangered species or something. Then you wonder why I
>blast
>your incompetent comparisons.
>        Yet from your own admission you are the big poisoner who now
>has
>(purportedly) repented his ways. Maybe you protest a little too much.
>
>>   << you go on back to the dugout.>>
>
>>    No, but I will go back out to my garden to bring in even more
>tomatoes,
>> peppers, beans, eggplants.
>
>        Yeah, sure, but then we already know that you are willing to
>distort
>the facts. How can a gardener trust your reports of success when it is
>obvious that you are not accurate on the simple things?
>        Now I know you are going to want to respond to this and will
>make some
>more meaningless protestations and appeals to authority, so let me
>just
>say "I give up". From now on you can post as many lies as you like and
>I
>will just read them and chuckle. Have at it.
>        But, do not send email to my address, I am not willing to
>debate
>privately with you. Post what you like on the list.
>--
>        Bill DeWitt
>        East Central Florida
>        Ask me why Worker's Compensation Laws need to be changed.
>
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