RE: Re'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?

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have not reviewed this whole thread but just wanted to point out today we consider cengialti as a subspecies of pallida and so Tid-Bit would be a pure pallida species but in Mrs. Sturtevant's time they where considered separate species and by that 'Tid-Bit' would have been a hybrid.

skyland 1 <lmmunro@hotmail.com> wrote:

TID-BIT is registerd with the parentage of cengialti x pallida. Which means
its only half cengialti.
Laetitia

>From: irischapman@netscape.net
>Reply-To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
>To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [iris-species] Re'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?
>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:13:19 -0400
>
>I echo your concerns. As it was registered as a DB, meaning dwarf bearded,
>it was likely a hybrid as otherwise it would have been registered as a
>species. It was registered by Miss. Grace Sturtevant. A very active founder
>of AIS and one of the first to undertake scientific studies of iris
>genetics and had hybridized very many famous (for their time)iris. Her
>father was a very estimed botanist and director of the Experimental station
>at Geneva NY. She was raised thinking plant science.I think we can trust
>her judgement
>
>Chuck Chapman
>
>"skyland 1" wrote:
>
> >Dave and Everyone:
> > I need to ask a 'dumb' question here. If Tid-Bit was an intro of
>someone
> >(forgot whom, offhand), then it was a cross of something that someone
> >'created'. If so, how could it be a clone of Cengliati?
> >Is not Cengliati a 'wild' iris of Europe? Would not the word 'clone' mean
> >identical genetic makeup?
> >I kind of suspect you are using the word 'clone' to describe a similar
>but
> >not necessarily identical genetic blueprint.
> >Were one to identify various populations of some species in the wild, and
> >they were distinct geographically, and one had a trait the other did not
> >(for instance deepness of color), are they clones? Does this represent a
> >natural genetic mutation?
> >Thanks,
> >Laetitia
> >
> > >From: "David Ferguson"
> >>Reply-To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
> >>To:
> >>Subject: Re: [iris-species] 'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?
> >>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:01:07 -0600
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>Thanks for all the comments.
> >>
> >>Laetitia,
> >>
> >>The photo was really helpful. There is enough detail between the
>flowers
> >>shown for me to get a fairly good idea what the plant looks like. I'll
>do
> >>some more detailed comparing with clones of I. pallida cengialtii, but
>this
> >>really does look as though it may be another clone of that taxon. It
>would
> >>be great to find some history for the plant. It might help shed a lot
>of
> >>light on just what it really is to know where it was from (beyond
> >>introducer and date).
> >>
> >>I lot of MTB's look as if they have cengialtii in their background, but
>it
> >>isn't always clear from the pedigrees (there are so many numbered
>seedlings
> >>that were never introduced, and which appear to not have documentation
> >>available - maybe there are breeder notes buried here and there).
>Anyway,
> >>this clone looks like maybe another pathway for cengialtii genes to have
> >>gotten into the breeding lines.
> >>
> >>Now to hunt down a piece and grow it!
> >>
> >>By the way, I'd be curious to see the other photo. Even if it may be
> >>wrong, it would be fun to see what it looks like.
> >>
> >>Thanks again,
> >>
> >>Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
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