RE: Re'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?

I followed up on some information here.Tid-Bit doesn't have parentage listed in the AIS registration books. In The Iris Chronicles No. 12 on Grace Sturtevant's iris they list  parentage as Cengialti-pallida, they referenced their source of information as BAIS issue 13 pg 12. I pulled out that issue to check this referene and immediatly spotted the  error. 

1) This list was an attempt to classify iris by their colour and size referencing known species colour. It was not a reference to actual known parentage.  To quote "the author "To classify our garden pogoniris according to their color has entailed a great many arbitrary decisions on the part of the complilers"
A look through the list shows many plants classified with no reference to parentage, only to their colour.

2) re Tid-Bit listing
"Type 3.b. Cengialti-pallida. Blue-purple selfs, flower often smaller. , more numerous: stalk slender and more branched; rarely over 30": foliage less glaucous." Included in this class is Iris alberti

Another classification sample

"Class 4b Tom tit Cengialti hybrids, very deep purple, small flowered falls usually flaring. Beard ofen bluish due to aphylla blood. "
In this class is Blue Boy 

It was assumed that this was a list of known parentage when in actuallity there was no attempt to classify parentage, only colour. Thus it got listed in the Iris chronicles with parentage in error.

Thus parentage is still not known.

Chuck Chapman

Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>have not reviewed this whole thread but just wanted to point out today we consider cengialti as a subspecies of pallida and so Tid-Bit would be a pure pallida species but in Mrs. Sturtevant's time they where considered separate species and by that 'Tid-Bit' would have been a hybrid.
>
>skyland 1 <lmmunro@hotmail.com> wrote:
>TID-BIT is registerd with the parentage of cengialti x pallida. Which means 
>its only half cengialti.
>Laetitia
>


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