Re: 

Dear Friends,

I have successfully germinated some PCI and they are about 1' tall now. They
are in a shaded area in the summer time but sunny in the winter. Some are
too close to each other and must be transplanted. I am terrified.

They are growing in the best drained area of my 0.6 lot, which is generally
well drained. Most of it is shady but I have some sunnier spots.

We had an unusually dry early spring, and an unusually wet late spring.

Should I transplant some? All? Where? In my lot, not to California. When?
Help.


James Harrison
Asheville
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> Topics in this digest:
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>       1. Re: pallida X variegata pictures
>            From: Linda Mann <lmann@volfirst.net>
>       2. Squalens, sambucina, pallida thread.
>            From: Rodney Barton <rbarton@hsc.unt.edu>
>       3. SPEC-X: Sayo No Tsuki
>            From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
>       4. SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
>            From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
>       5. Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
>            From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
>       6. info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>            From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
>       7. Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>            From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
>       8. Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
>            From: alhbee@aol.com
>       9. Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>            From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
>      10. Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
>            From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
>      11. Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
>            From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
>      12. Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>            From: Joan Cooper <joan78@comcast.net>
>      13. Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>            From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
>      14. I. kashmiriana - karyotype (was Re: squalens, sambucina etc)
>            From: "David Ferguson" <manzano57@msn.com>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:29:24 -0400
>    From: Linda Mann <lmann@volfirst.net>
> Subject: Re: pallida X variegata pictures
>
> Thanks Ted.  Those are lovely children.  Very interesting.
>
> Have you gotten any seedlings with tall wiry stalks & without the toed
> in type pallida bud placement?  In other words, anything similar to this
> late blooming locally abundant 'weed'?
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:29:37 -0500
>    From: Rodney Barton <rbarton@hsc.unt.edu>
> Subject: Squalens, sambucina, pallida thread.
>
> I haven't been following this thread too closely, but the glimpses I've
> caught suggest it's an excellent topic for a SIGNA newsletter article.
> Would any of you consider summarizing this discussion for the newsletter?
>
> Rodney
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> Rodney Barton
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> North Central Texas USA
> AIS, SIGNA, SLI and SPCNI
> USDA Zone 7/8
> AHS heat zone 8
> Annual rainfall 32 in.
> Mean annual temp 65 deg.
> Mean length of frost free period 230 days
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> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:41:45 -0700
>    From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
> Subject: SPEC-X: Sayo No Tsuki
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> SAYO NO TSUKI (Pseudacorus-JI)
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> Christy
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> Skip & Christy Hensler
> THE ROCK GARDEN
> Newport, WA
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> Message: 4
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:43:01 -0700
>    From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
> Subject: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
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> Pastel Dancer
>
> The first Sino-Siberian to bloom this year.
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> Christy
> Skip & Christy Hensler
> THE ROCK GARDEN
> Newport, WA
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> Message: 5
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:08:30 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
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> --- Hensler <hensler@povn.net> wrote:
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> > Pastel Dancer
> >
> > The first Sino-Siberian to bloom this year.
>
>
> Christy, how tall is this one? It is really so distinctive,
>
> Ellen
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> Message: 6
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> Subject: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>
> Excuse the cross posting to both lists. I didn't know who would
> have the info on these two irises (spec-x) that I bid and got at
> the Sib/species convention in Ontario last year.
>
> I think they are from Tony Huber but neglected to make a record
> when I planted them. 'Late Call' bloomed this year and it was
> lovely. Didn't look at all like the other Huber irises (iris
> versicolor from the Laurentian Mts. x iris ensata = versata or
> biversata, etc.). It may be the coloring that made it look so
> different.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ellen
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> Message: 7
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:20:18 -0700
>    From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
> Subject: Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>
> Ellen,
>
> JOLIETTE (Huber 1998) is a versata. Parentage is listed as "versicolor
seedling involving dwarf High Laurentian versicolor X purple ensata
seedling".
>
> LATE CALL (Huber 2002) is a biversata. Parentage is Oriental Touch X pink
versicolor.
>
> Christy
>
> Skip & Christy Hensler
> THE ROCK GARDEN
> Newport, WA
> http://www.povn.com/rock/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ellen Gallagher" <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
>
>
> > Excuse the cross posting to both lists. I didn't know who would
> > have the info on these two irises (spec-x) that I bid and got at
> > the Sib/species convention in Ontario last year.
>
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> Message: 8
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:00:34 EDT
>    From: alhbee@aol.com
> Subject: Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
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> That is pretty Christy.
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> Al Bullock
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> Message: 9
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>
> --- Hensler <hensler@povn.net> wrote:
>
>
> > JOLIETTE (Huber 1998) is a versata. Parentage is listed as
> > "versicolor seedling involving dwarf High Laurentian
> > versicolor X purple ensata seedling".
>
> > LATE CALL (Huber 2002) is a biversata. Parentage is Oriental
> > Touch X pink versicolor.
>
> Thanks, Christy! I wanted to take a pic of 'Late Call' but it
> came and went in no time at all. :-(  It bloomed well but just
> one bloomstalk this year, its first year here.
>
> Ellen
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> Message: 10
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:04:11 -0700
>    From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
> Subject: Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
>
> It only reaches 25" here but is registered at 36".
>
> Christy
>
> Skip & Christy Hensler
> THE ROCK GARDEN
> Newport, WA
> http://www.povn.com/rock/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ellen Gallagher" <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Christy, how tall is this one? It is really so distinctive,
>
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> Message: 11
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:24:23 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: SINO-SIB: Pastel Dancer
>
> --- Hensler <hensler@povn.net> wrote:
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> >>> It only reaches 25" here but is registered at 36". <<<
>
> Some sino-sibs bloom tall in this part of cold  country. Iris
> delavayii once bloomed at about 5' a few years ago. Almost as
> tall as me!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ellen
>
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> Message: 12
>    Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:28:07 -0500
>    From: Joan Cooper <joan78@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
>
> Where can one buy these things? I haven't seen them listed.    Joan
> Cooper, Roseville, Minn.
>
> Hensler wrote:
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> > Ellen,
> >
> > JOLIETTE (Huber 1998) is a versata. Parentage is listed as "versicolor
> > seedling involving dwarf High Laurentian versicolor X purple ensata
> > seedling".
> >
> > LATE CALL (Huber 2002) is a biversata. Parentage is Oriental Touch X
> > pink versicolor.
> >
> > Christy
> >
> > Skip & Christy Hensler
> > THE ROCK GARDEN
> > Newport, WA
> > http://www.povn.com/rock/
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ellen Gallagher" <ellengalla@yahoo.com
> > <e*@yahoo.com>>
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> > > Excuse the cross posting to both lists. I didn't know who would
> > > have the info on these two irises (spec-x) that I bid and got at
> > > the Sib/species convention in Ontario last year.
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> Message: 13
>    Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:28:35 -0700
>    From: "Hensler" <hensler@povn.net>
> Subject: Re: info on 'Late Call' and 'Joliette'
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> Hi Joan,
>
> We had a number of Tony Huber's things listed this spring including
> Joliette.
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> Another source for Tony's irises is Iris City Gardens.
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> Christy
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> Skip & Christy Hensler
> THE ROCK GARDEN
> Newport, WA
> http://www.povn.com/rock/
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> > Where can one buy these things? I haven't seen them listed.    Joan
> > Cooper, Roseville, Minn.
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> Message: 14
>    Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:36:57 -0600
>    From: "David Ferguson" <manzano57@msn.com>
> Subject: I. kashmiriana - karyotype (was Re: squalens, sambucina etc)
>
> This title was getting a bit long on this one. This is a bit shorter, but
not by much.
>
> Leaving the white subject behind for the moment, I am curious if anyone
knows which "I. kashmiriana" clone the published karyotype cited was derived
from?  The plant I received and grow as I. kashmiriana appears to me to be a
diploid I. pallida x I. variegata type cross, although it could conceivably
be a tetraploid of similar origins.  I am wondering if this is the clone the
karyotype was taken from?  If so, I think the karyotype listed for I.
kashmiriana is not really for that "species".  This clone is the commonly
available purple flowered one in circulation in the United States now.  When
I read descriptions of I. kashmiriana, this plant does not fit particularly
well, and it does not match illustrations.  This clone is shown on Ken
Walker's web site, and Ken's photos also appear on the Iris Species
Database.  It somewhat resembles cultivars such as 'Faustine' and
'Perfection'.  It flowers with the I. pallida x I. variegata cultivars, and
it is fertile, producing good cr!
>  ops of seeds without pollination (I have not grown seeds yet).
>
> I find it difficult to believe that this clone is really originally from
Kashmir, and if it was collected there, I would guess that it was sometime
earlier transported there from se. Europe.  I am more inclined to think it
is a misidentified cultivar of garden origin (?).
>
> My understanding is that 'Kashmir White' is a 48 chromosome tetraploid.
Does anyone know if this is true.  The citations I see mention chromosomes
counts of 24, 44, and/or 48 for I. kashmiriana.  However, it is never
documented, nor mentioned which clone was counted.  Any 44 chromosome clone
is probably of an I. x germanica type or similar, and of hybrid origin, but
was the original I. kashmiriana one of these, or did it have a balanced
chromosome compliment?
>
> Also, does anyone know if the original white I. kashmiriana, or any other
clones under the name are still in cultivation and if they are available
from anyone?
>
> Thanks,
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> Dave
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