Re: ADMIN: Vote on Subject Tags

Frankly, I don't 'get' what the opposition to subject tags is about.  
Does it take too much time to type TB or HYB or CULT?  I, for one, 
simply don't read a post that doesn't have a subject tag or other 
clear means to indicate what the message is about.  I don't have time 
to spend hours a day on the list, though I value it GREATLY and would 
be lost without it, iris-wise.

Are we just talking personality clash here?  No room for that on the 
list.  If someone else wants to take on John's huge, thankless job, 
I'm sure they'd be welcome to it.  But I'd warn them:  John's shoes 
will be awfully large to fill.

Patricia Brooks
thankful lister






--- In iris-talk@y..., John I Jones <jijones@u...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Iris Moose wrote:
> > 
> > It seems the tag conversation thread was a mere half day 
wonder...only to
> > disappear as quickly as it came about.  I sure would like to see 
the
> > entire burdon of this forum lifted from John Jones.  He has been 
quiet on
> > this tag thing since his initial post (at least from what I have 
seen).
> 
> Quiet, well...yes. My perspective is pretty well known. Though, I 
have
> been following the comments. 
> 
> I don't remember asking to have the "burdon (sic) of this forum 
lifted
> from" me.
> 
> > We read some great testimonials regarding how these tags have 
affected
> > many different people and the majority appeared to be in a 
negative way.
> > Do we change to survive or do we survive because we change?  
Since this
> > really is all about flowers and even being ambassdors for the 
iris, shouldn't we
> > remove obsticals that hinder the enjoyment and participation of 
this
> > flower forum? (I am referring to the tags in this last question).
> 
> I am not sure I agree that the majority "appeared to be in a 
negative
> way," however read below.
>  
> > Perhaps a group of three of four list members should form list a
> > management committee and relieve John of the sole responsibility 
of decision
> > making in this forum. 
> 
> A committee??? As in bureaucracy??? As in "a camel is a horse 
designed
> by a committee" <grin>. I have always been open to changes to the 
list
> that a majority of people want to see implemented.
> 
> > It must be stressful on John at times.  (I am not
> > suggesting ousting John, merely adding some people to his stature 
as list
> > co-moderators). 
> 
> As list owner, I can assign others as moderators, but there is only 
ever
> one "owner"
> 
> > I would also suggest that these people not have any
> > aspirations of leadership within AIS such as Directorship.
> 
> Since this list has no affiliation with AIS, I am not sure why this 
is a
> problem. Frankly this sounds like a snipe, but I take no offense.
> 
> > Often times the single decision maker can not come out looking 
good no
> > matter what side he takes on a somewhat controversial  or even
> > non-controversial subject.
> 
> The same applies to a committee. I am not concerned with looking 
good or
> taking sides. I am concerned with keeping the list a good place for 
as
> many members as I can. I try to listen to the opinions of all in 
making
> decisions about the list to hopefully ensure the enjoyment of all.
> 
> To that end I have started a new poll on whether we should continue 
to
> use Subject Tags. Vote as you will. You can do so without revealing 
your
> identity. Go to:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iris-talk/polls
> 
> If you do not have a yahoo groups ID, I will arrange with a third 
party
> for you to vote with them (keeping anonymous from me), or if you 
want
> you can vote directly with me.
>  
> 
> 
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>                          |  to indicate the edge of the known world.
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