Re: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
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  • Subject: Re: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
  • From: &* G* C* <j*@cox.net>
  • Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:24:46 -0400
Betty -- Without listing all the things that go into it, I look for an attractive flower on a well-formed plant that grows well (i.e., gives at least average increase and doesn't appear more susceptible to disease than others)
Something that appears to me to be lacking in more than a few recently-introduced cultivars is good branching -- "good" meaning number, placement (interval between) on the stalk, and angle of protrusion. For that reason, when I'm going through the seedling beds, I'll plant a flag on a well-branched iris whose flower won't make the hit parade. Later, when planning crosses, I'll be looking for a pretty flower that needs better branching and make a "guesstimate" as to whether the heritage of that flower is likely to match well with one of the better-branched but not so pretty ones. If possible (pollen availability is the determinant), I'll use the better-branched as the pod parent, being a believer that the pod parent usually contributes more to the overall shape of the plant. Please note that I say "usually". A well-branched plant likely will give more flowers and certainly is pleasing to the eye.
I have other goals, most pertaining to color, flower shape and pattern, but these tend to be shorter-term than the branching goal. -- Griff 

Griffin's Den
http://www.pilmore.com/griffinsden/default.html
Zone 7 along the tidal Potomac near Mount Vernon, in Virginia
----- Original Message ----- From: <autmirislvr@aol.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:14 PM
Subject: [iris]:HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)



This is a side issue to the Limbo Seedling thread.

So many things to consider.

<<second class seedlings>>
An improvement might be a taller specimen, more branches, longer bloom season, 
deeper colors, etc..What are your goals and how do they mesh with what the
rest of us like?
Would some of the hybridizers on this list please give us some idea of what they consider an advancement? What are your goals? What are you trying to improve in the irises you breed? Specifically, what would it take to be a 
"first class" seedling in your garden?
Each hybridizer has their own goals. To an extent, an advancement or "better" 
iris is in the eye of the beholder.

Feed Back, please!

Betty Wilkerson . . . extremely fussy about colors and patterns.
Bridge In Time Irises
KY Zone 6


-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Brown <ddbro@sbcglobal.net>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:56 am
Subject: RE: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings


Paul,
  Just imagine how much worse it would be if all the seconds and culls
ere floating around out there as well.  If your "limbo" seedlings are
etter than so many of the current intros, then kudos to you for being a
iscerning hybridizer/irisarian!!  Why would you want to lower your
tandards at this point?
  As far as all the tracking and record keeping....well, given the
umber of misnamed or no name iris already out there I guess we already know 
hat not everyone keeps good records.
  Bottom line for me as a hybridizer, no, I don't want to send my
econd class seedlings out in public where they might get released into
eneral population.
Dana
Dana D. Brown
IS, ASI, MIS, RIS, SPIS, TBIS
alevil Iris Gardens & Kennels
ww.malevil-iris.com
ubbock, TX  79403
one 7 USDA, Zone 10 Sunset
dbro@sbcglobal.net
Home of:
errimac's Amarula CGC TDI
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----Original Message-----
rom: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Paul
rcher
ent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:33 PM
o: Iris chat forum
ubject: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings
I agree with that as well.  However, considering the sheer amount of
egistered plants I have paid good money for and turned out to be complete
rap for various reasons and most of my "limbo" seedlings surpass the ones I ought, and by that standard maybe I should be Registering a whole lot more. 
lso some Registered plants make very poor parents once I get seeds from
hem, yet they were Registered by the Hybridizer anyway.  The assumption
hat a Registered plant is a worthy parent is mute. But sorry to burst your 
ubble but the danger of releasing poor plant has already been surpassed
umerous times and is now and endemic problem, yet may great cultivars are
oming from these very plants through selection efforts.  The difference is
he Hybridizer standard of which mine is very high.
It could also be said that those "limbo" seedlings that would be released
nto this proposed program would need to be kept track of by the purchaser
nd Hybridizer and not released as a cultivar for the sheer sake of
ropagation purposes unless it has been evaluated by numerous people,
eedback reported on, and the decision made by the Hybridizer to remove it
rom "limbo" list and actually Registered.  Yes, that takes some work, but
hat prevents the seedling being distributed under a false name or confusion nd is certainly no worse than distributing the Registered ones that I would 
ust as soon toss the second or third year I've seen them bloom.
hat is likely the root cause of much of the problem we have occuring today. 

Original message:-------

feel that there is danger in releasing to the public seedlings that though
beautiful are not quite worthy of registration and introduction.
irst:  One goal as hybridizers should be to improve irises.  If we allow
ven slightly inferior cultivars to be diseminated-among the public, we are
ot being faithful to that goal.   Second:  These nameless seedlings are
ertain to become confused with look alike named varieties to the detriment
f the named varieties and to the people who buy them misnamed.
know we all have favorite seedlings like this.  I always say, "I'll keep
t until I need the room for something better". When I am excited about the 
better one, I find it doesn't hurt to let the lesser one go.
rancelle Edwards
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