RE: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
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  • Subject: RE: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
  • From: &* <f*@q.com>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 14:57:06 -0700
This is feed back on your comments, Betty,
I believe that it is worth while to breed for irises that are superior
growers and bloomers in your area, as Linda Mann is doing even though they
may not do well in other areas.  Some  of us live in difficult climates
where irises adapted to different conditions don't do well.  For example:  I
can not grow most of the Dykes Medal winners.  I have killed Golden Panther
four times.  The only one I have growing well in my garden right now is
Conjuration.  I can almost assume that most of my vigorous, floriferous
beauties will not do well in cold, wet climates.
In this area where we have five months when the temperatures go above  110
degrees F., fall rebloom is non-existant.  I am breeding for rebloomers that
will give very long spring bloom.  They are often called repeat bloomers.  I
have some that will bloom almost continuously for sixty to ninty days and
still be healthy and beautiful.  I also want good stalks and bud count.
However there is no perfect iris.  Those who wait for absolute perfection
never introduce anything.  As a hybridizer, I am keenly aware of the faults
of my seedlings.  I have to decide if the good qualities of a seedling
out-weigh its fault, before I register it.  One criteria is that it should
be superior to both of its parents.  Sometimes I think that we should
mention the fault of our seedling along with our description of its
excellent points.  Obviously no one ever does that.  I have just registered
a seedling, that I am sufficiently pleased with that I named it after one of
my grand daughters. Sarah Rose.  Its fault is that it looks too much like it
pollen parent, Happenstance.  In my garden, it is a taller, stronger, more
dominering iris than Happenstance.  Now if I can just breed rebloom genes
into its progeny. 

Francelle Edwards  Glendale, AZ  Zone 9


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
autmirislvr@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:14 AM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: [iris]:HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)

This is a side issue to the Limbo Seedling thread.

So many things to consider.

<<second class seedlings>>

An improvement might be a taller specimen, more branches, longer bloom
season,
deeper colors, etc..What are your goals and how do they mesh with what the
rest of us like?


Would some of the hybridizers on this list please give us some idea of what
they consider an advancement?  What are your goals?  What are you trying to
improve in the irises you breed?   Specifically, what would it take to be a
"first class" seedling in your garden?

Each hybridizer has their own goals.  To an extent, an advancement or
"better"
iris is in the eye of the beholder.

Feed Back, please!

Betty Wilkerson . . . extremely fussy about colors and patterns.
Bridge In Time Irises
KY Zone 6


-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Brown <ddbro@sbcglobal.net>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:56 am
Subject: RE: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings


Paul,
   Just imagine how much worse it would be if all the seconds and culls
ere floating around out there as well.  If your "limbo" seedlings are
etter than so many of the current intros, then kudos to you for being a
iscerning hybridizer/irisarian!!  Why would you want to lower your
tandards at this point?
   As far as all the tracking and record keeping....well, given the
umber of misnamed or no name iris already out there I guess we already know
hat not everyone keeps good records.
   Bottom line for me as a hybridizer, no, I don't want to send my
econd class seedlings out in public where they might get released into
eneral population.
Dana
Dana D. Brown
IS, ASI, MIS, RIS, SPIS, TBIS
alevil Iris Gardens & Kennels
ww.malevil-iris.com
ubbock, TX  79403
one 7 USDA, Zone 10 Sunset
dbro@sbcglobal.net
Home of:
errimac's Amarula CGC TDI
H. Merrimac the Agean CD, RA, CGC, TDI

----Original Message-----
rom: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Paul
rcher
ent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:33 PM
o: Iris chat forum
ubject: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings
I agree with that as well.  However, considering the sheer amount of
egistered plants I have paid good money for and turned out to be complete
rap for various reasons and most of my "limbo" seedlings surpass the ones I
ought, and by that standard maybe I should be Registering a whole lot more.
lso some Registered plants make very poor parents once I get seeds from
hem, yet they were Registered by the Hybridizer anyway.  The assumption
hat a Registered plant is a worthy parent is mute.  But sorry to burst your
ubble but the danger of releasing poor plant has already been surpassed
umerous times and is now and endemic problem, yet may great cultivars are
oming from these very plants through selection efforts.  The difference is
he Hybridizer standard of which mine is very high.
It could also be said that those "limbo" seedlings that would be released
nto this proposed program would need to be kept track of by the purchaser
nd Hybridizer and not released as a cultivar for the sheer sake of
ropagation purposes unless it has been evaluated by numerous people,
eedback reported on, and the decision made by the Hybridizer to remove it
rom "limbo" list and actually Registered.  Yes, that takes some work, but
hat prevents the seedling being distributed under a false name or confusion
nd is certainly no worse than distributing the Registered ones that I would
ust as soon toss the second or third year I've seen them bloom.
hat is likely the root cause of much of the problem we have occuring today.

Original message:-------

 feel that there is danger in releasing to the public seedlings that though
beautiful are not quite worthy of registration and introduction.
irst:  One goal as hybridizers should be to improve irises.  If we allow
ven slightly inferior cultivars to be diseminated-among the public, we are
ot being faithful to that goal.   Second:  These nameless seedlings are
ertain to become confused with look alike named varieties to the detriment
f the named varieties and to the people who buy them misnamed.
 know we all have favorite seedlings like this.  I always say, "I'll keep
t until I need the room for something better".  When I am excited about the
better one, I find it doesn't hurt to let the lesser one go.
rancelle Edwards
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