Re: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
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  • Subject: Re: :HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
  • From: a*@aol.com
  • Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:41:31 -0400
Thanks, Francelle!  That was my point but I'm often to vague with my hints.


 <<Those who wait for absolute perfection
ever introduce anything.>>

Your problem is with warm weather rebloomers, while mine is with cold/colder
climate rebloomers.  Some of the irises that appear to do well for you just
refuse to grow in my area.  Sometimes I see irises that are an improvement in
one direction but not in others.  It's really hard to make everything match up
with the added goal of rebloom in zone 6.

I've one I'm going to line out when the weather breaks--It's a tall variegata
with good branching, bud count, bloom size, triple terminal, etc., etc.,  The
color is good.  On the bad side it rebloomed in October and has more haft
marks than I would like.  Personally, I love it.  But will others trash it?
Does it fall bloom too late?  Is it too hafty?  Will it behave in other
climates?  Will it even grow everywhere?  Just how much time, money and energy
must I spend to get it to the point of introduction?

It's enough to make some people give up.  ;-)

Betty W.
KY Zone 6






-----Original Message-----
From: Francelle <fjmjedwards@q.com>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [iris]:HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)


This is feed back on your comments, Betty,
 believe that it is worth while to breed for irises that are superior
rowers and bloomers in your area, as Linda Mann is doing even though they
ay not do well in other areas.  Some  of us live in difficult climates
here irises adapted to different conditions don't do well.  For example:  I
an not grow most of the Dykes Medal winners.  I have killed Golden Panther
our times.  The only one I have growing well in my garden right now is
onjuration.  I can almost assume that most of my vigorous, floriferous
eauties will not do well in cold, wet climates.
n this area where we have five months when the temperatures go above  110
egrees F., fall rebloom is non-existant.  I am breeding for rebloomers that
ill give very long spring bloom.  They are often called repeat bloomers.  I
ave some that will bloom almost continuously for sixty to ninty days and
till be healthy and beautiful.  I also want good stalks and bud count.
owever there is no perfect iris.  Those who wait for absolute perfection
ever introduce anything.  As a hybridizer, I am keenly aware of the faults
f my seedlings.  I have to decide if the good qualities of a seedling
ut-weigh its fault, before I register it.  One criteria is that it should
e superior to both of its parents.  Sometimes I think that we should
ention the fault of our seedling along with our description of its
xcellent points.  Obviously no one ever does that.  I have just registered
 seedling, that I am sufficiently pleased with that I named it after one of
y grand daughters. Sarah Rose.  Its fault is that it looks too much like it
ollen parent, Happenstance.  In my garden, it is a taller, stronger, more
ominering iris than Happenstance.  Now if I can just breed rebloom genes
nto its progeny.
Francelle Edwards  Glendale, AZ  Zone 9

----Original Message-----
rom: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
utmirislvr@aol.com
ent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:14 AM
o: iris@hort.net
ubject: [iris]:HYB:Goals:Preferences(was Limbo Seedlings)
This is a side issue to the Limbo Seedling thread.
So many things to consider.
<<second class seedlings>>
An improvement might be a taller specimen, more branches, longer bloom
eason,
eeper colors, etc..What are your goals and how do they mesh with what the
est of us like?

ould some of the hybridizers on this list please give us some idea of what
hey consider an advancement?  What are your goals?  What are you trying to
mprove in the irises you breed?   Specifically, what would it take to be a
first class" seedling in your garden?
Each hybridizer has their own goals.  To an extent, an advancement or
better"
ris is in the eye of the beholder.
Feed Back, please!
Betty Wilkerson . . . extremely fussy about colors and patterns.
ridge In Time Irises
Y Zone 6

----Original Message-----
rom: Dana Brown <ddbro@sbcglobal.net>
o: iris@hort.net
ent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 8:56 am
ubject: RE: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings

aul,
  Just imagine how much worse it would be if all the seconds and culls
re floating around out there as well.  If your "limbo" seedlings are
tter than so many of the current intros, then kudos to you for being a
scerning hybridizer/irisarian!!  Why would you want to lower your
andards at this point?
  As far as all the tracking and record keeping....well, given the
mber of misnamed or no name iris already out there I guess we already know
at not everyone keeps good records.
  Bottom line for me as a hybridizer, no, I don't want to send my
cond class seedlings out in public where they might get released into
neral population.
ana
ana D. Brown
S, ASI, MIS, RIS, SPIS, TBIS
levil Iris Gardens & Kennels
w.malevil-iris.com
bbock, TX  79403
ne 7 USDA, Zone 10 Sunset
bro@sbcglobal.net
ome of:
rrimac's Amarula CGC TDI
. Merrimac the Agean CD, RA, CGC, TDI
----Original Message-----
om: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of Paul
cher
nt: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:33 PM
: Iris chat forum
bject: [iris] Re: Limbo Seedlings
 agree with that as well.  However, considering the sheer amount of
gistered plants I have paid good money for and turned out to be complete
ap for various reasons and most of my "limbo" seedlings surpass the ones I
ught, and by that standard maybe I should be Registering a whole lot more.
so some Registered plants make very poor parents once I get seeds from
em, yet they were Registered by the Hybridizer anyway.  The assumption
at a Registered plant is a worthy parent is mute.  But sorry to burst your
bble but the danger of releasing poor plant has already been surpassed
merous times and is now and endemic problem, yet may great cultivars are
ming from these very plants through selection efforts.  The difference is
e Hybridizer standard of which mine is very high.
t could also be said that those "limbo" seedlings that would be released
to this proposed program would need to be kept track of by the purchaser
d Hybridizer and not released as a cultivar for the sheer sake of
opagation purposes unless it has been evaluated by numerous people,
edback reported on, and the decision made by the Hybridizer to remove it
om "limbo" list and actually Registered.  Yes, that takes some work, but
at prevents the seedling being distributed under a false name or confusion
d is certainly no worse than distributing the Registered ones that I would
st as soon toss the second or third year I've seen them bloom.
at is likely the root cause of much of the problem we have occuring today.
Original message:-------
 feel that there is danger in releasing to the public seedlings that though
eautiful are not quite worthy of registration and introduction.
rst:  One goal as hybridizers should be to improve irises.  If we allow
en slightly inferior cultivars to be diseminated-among the public, we are
t being faithful to that goal.   Second:  These nameless seedlings are
rtain to become confused with look alike named varieties to the detriment
 the named varieties and to the people who buy them misnamed.
know we all have favorite seedlings like this.  I always say, "I'll keep
 until I need the room for something better".  When I am excited about the
etter one, I find it doesn't hurt to let the lesser one go.
ancelle Edwards
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