Re: HYB: TB: question - making wider falls/hafts etc?

Neil M in Asheville NC replied to my question

> My own experience with open standards is that like narrow falls, or
> hang-dog ("waterfall" to be nice) falls, they are killers in the
> seedling rows.
>
Oh dear, here we go again - when I say 'waterfall' I don't mean
hang-dog.  I really dislike horizontal falls on TBs.  I know some folks
who really enjoy the non-rigid substanced, hound-dog fluttering in the
breeze falls, and I kind of enjoy those too.  But what I mean by
waterfall is something that arches out nicely, goes down at an angle
(maybe 45o) then has a bit of ruffle (the waves that the falls make?).
From photos in Mid-America's new catalog, that would include NAPLES,
GOOD DEED, etc but not LOOKOUT POINT.  I don't think either of the first
two would qualify as hang-dog; in fact I suspect the hybridizer might be
offended <g>

From the rest of your comments, and from what Walter sez, it sounds like
some of these traits might be additive (or subtractive?) from several
interacting recessives?  Possibly on different chromosomes or at least
distant from color/pattern genes?  To my foggy understanding of how this
all works, that would allow keeping recessive colors/patterns while
adding width?

So, theoretically speaking, if I cross two cultivars with medium width
falls, I would get a few wider than either parent, a lot narrower than
either parent, and some in betweens?  And the same with branching, beard
width, closed standards etc?

Or does it seem that there have been occasional 'breaks' where suddenly
some wider falls (etc) appear that are linked with other desirable
traits? (e.g., GLORIOLE, MEXICO)

Interesting that DOMINION, MEXICO are also both 'umbrata' (recessive
amoena?, variegata?) & BROAD SHOULDERS comes from some of that
background also.

Linda Mann east Tenenseee USA zone 7/8


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