Re: REF: color patterns for dummies

Hi Mike - I sort of threw my hands up in despair about it because there
seem to be so many non-distinctive variations of what I first meant by
umbrata, which as Neil has said was my somewhat tongue in cheek
descriptor of falls with a shadow on them.  Because I love the color &
pattern on MAGIC MAN [light blue standards and rim of falls with
blue-black 'shadow'] and the cultivar I named THE PINK DROOLER until I
found out it's right name (which of course I can't think of
now...)[light pink standards and rim with burgundy 'shadow'], that is
the color pattern I was mostly thinking of at the time.  I guess
DOMINION might fall in that group?

Then there are the recessive amoenas, with white instead of pale top &
rim, or is a recessive amoena genetically the same as DOMINION, with an
added color inhibitor?  I haven't found any pictures of recessive
amoenas that don't have the light rim too.

Then there are variegatas, with yellow instead of pink top & rim, like
MEXICO, COPATONIC & some others, or are the pink shadowed ones actually
variegatas with pink instead of yellow pigments?  Is DOMINION a
variegata with blue/purple pigments instead of pink/yellow?

And I'm hearing rumors that 'my' shadow pattern may be a plicata related
pattern -
waiting to see Barry Blyth's article in the next issue of Tall Talk.

And then there are the washes, like HONKY TONK BLUES.

Maybe I need to come up with another term for those I love, call them
the <ltlrsf> light-top-light-rim-shadow-falls.  The <little risf> <g>

I will try to only use 'umbrata' for whatever the official world of
pattern namers decides they want it applied to once there is concensus -
are we it/them?  Sounds like there might be a need for a name for the
HONKY TONK BLUES pattern - is the heredity the same for pink/yellow
pigments as for blue/purples?

Mike Lowe said:
<This thread fizzled out before we really nailed it down...and I have
some difficulty in seeing what I believe evolved as a definition of
'umbrata' in the below mentioned cultivars...>

As for BROAD SHOULDERS, it doesn't seem to have the light rim, but I
thought the pedigree includes some - maybe I'm mistaken about that one.
Sorry for throwing more confusion into an already complicated topic.  My
comment about DOMINION is based on its photo, which shows a light rim -
but that's neglecta, not amoena, right?  arrgghhh - talk about colors
for dummies....

At 12:57 PM -0500 3/2/01, Linda Mann wrote:
>Interesting that DOMINION, MEXICO are also both 'umbrata' (recessive
>amoena?, variegata?) & BROAD SHOULDERS comes from some of that
>background also.

No fair - you ain't got no picture of VILMORIN on the HIPS site!

Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8


 

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