Re: seed starting

On 22 Mar 96 at 8:25, CEMahan@aol.com wrote about Re: seed starting

> In a message dated 96-03-22 04:16:21 EST, you write:
> 
> >Julie writes
> >
> >:This past year I tried a method I saw in an AIS bulletin( soak seed for
> >:a while at room temp., soak seed in bleach solution, soad seed in fridge
> >:about 8 weeks, let sit at room temp. for a few days, pot in coarse sand
> >:and keep moist; I had very little germination.  I'll try your method
> >:this coming year. Thanks!
> >
> >Maybe you should wait to see if any of _mine_ germinate.  
> 
> I have used the method Julie describes, except I soak in plain water not
> bleach, for many years.  It works or I wouldn't keep using it.  Clarence
> Mahan

As a newbie I need a little hand holding. Now let me make sure I have 
this right...  Julie soaks her seeds in bleach and soads them in the 
frig for eight weeks and Clarence does the same except he follows up 
by soaking in plain water for many years. Gosh, it's no wonder Iris 
cost so much. 

            dwgreer@bak2.lightspeed.net
              Bakersfield, California
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Hi Chris,

On 21 Mar 96 at 16:59, Christopher Hollinshead wrote about Re: 
Licensed Hybridizers
> > Christopher Hollinshead wrote:
> > > 
> > > About there being so many/too many new TB intros each year. Here is an
> > > idea to kick around. AIS Licensed/Approved Hybridizers.
> > > cut,cut etc.,etc..

I don't believe there are too many intros each year. 

> > 
> Chris replies:
> This could easily translate to the small scale hybridizer. The idea here 
> is not to stop people hybridizing, far from it. Anyone can hybridize, 
> what needs a little structure and control is the quality of the intros 
> and the quantities of the intros. (mainly the very popular TB area)
> The licence would be, as I mentioned, not really a license to 
> "hybridize", but one to be qualified to "introduce". (introduce quality 
> iris) If the hybridizer lived too far from an "instructor hybridizer" 
> they could "guest" their selects with the instructor hybridizer for 
> evaluation and qualifying. Eventually after they achieved accreditation 
> they would not have to do this.

You write about quality as if it were something that can be measured. 
An iris that is wonderful in every category in my garden may rot 
consistently in yours. It seems to me that the achieved accreditation 
you mention would be much like an artist having to have his work 
accredited before being presented. 

> I think this all makes alot of sense as the way things are now, anybody 
> can make a cross, grow the resulting plants, pay the fee and introduce 
> the iris whether its good, bad or indifferent. Where is the quality 
> control from the organization (AIS)? Sure, once the person has developed 

I'm new to the AIS but don't believe I read anywhere that the 
organization has any responsibility for quality control. Again, the 
word quality. What is quality to one person in one garden may be junk 
in another. The awards system, as I understand it, is the "general" 
indication of iris quality in many gardens. 

> a reputation of introducing iris of doubtful quality with the 
> knowledgeable iris public their hybridizing career is not apt to be very 
> successful or long. BUT, the problem is that these inferior iris are 
> still out there with an official AIS registered name and more can continue 
> to be put out there as long as the person wishes to pay the 
> introduction fees.   

Are not the older iris, say prior to 1960, considered inferior to 
newer cultivars? Having a registered name is no big deal. Back to 
quality - If we are competeing in a flower show, it is the best from 
my garden against the best from yours. That is the way it should be. 
If your "quality" control was implememented I couldn't compete fairly 
because you didn't allow a hybridizer to introduce my best cultivar 
because it rotted in your garden. 

There are simply to many subjective variables in the garden world to 
measure overall quality. I say let the hybridizer hybridize and 
introduce whatever he feels worthy.  

            dwgreer@bak2.lightspeed.net
              Bakersfield, California
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Subject: Re: Winter Kill?

In a message dated 96-03-22 12:32:06 EST, you write:

>Yes please send all info about it! , place , time etc.
>
>

Registrar for MASS Medley is Marty Schafer, 337 Action Street, Carlisle, MA
01741 USA, Telephone: (508) 371-0173.  Checks payable to Iris Society of
Massachusetts.  Cost of registration: $90.00 before April 15, and $110.00
after that date.  (Fee includes Friday and Sat. night dinners, Sat. and
Sunday Continental breakfast, Sat and Sun lunches and bus transportation to
gardens.

Hotel registrations must be made separately: The Wesford Regency, 19
Littleton Rd, MA 01886 USA.  Cost is $72 for one or two per night (very
reasonable in US).

Now if you want to come I suggest you call Marty Schafer at once.  As I told
Kathy Guest today, two friends were told yesterday that registration is "full
up" all ready.  But they were also told that the sponsors are considering
hiring a van so 15 more people can be accommodated.  So, I would call and get
on list at once....tell Marty Schafer that all 100 plus people on this Iris
Listserver are going to be sad :( if you don't get to come.

Hope this helps you, as I am currently trying to type this while chained to
the bed!  Ha! Ha! Ha! Clarence Mahan......P.S. I have a reblooming iris
seedling that will be introduced in a couple of years that is registered as
UNCHAINED MELODY....My wife wanted that name because she loves the song by
the same name.  I will never hear the song again or see my iris without
thinking of Gunnar in Sweden!  LOL
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