Re: HIST: Identification-Hail to The Chief
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- Subject: Re: [iris-talk] HIST: Identification-Hail to The Chief
- From: D* E*
- Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:55:35 -0500
Thank you Anner for your reply.
>
>If the plant came with a name--albeit in your case the name arrived a bit
>later than the plant--and if one has done a point by point comparison of
that
>plant and another rhizome from a reputable nursery, and the two plants and
>two blooms appear identical, one is probably on the money....assuming that
>nothing really bizarre is going on like you and Spears ...both in Texas...
>have the same wrong heirloom INDIAN CHIEF...or if the person doing the
point
>by point is not observant....neither of which I am suggesting, mind you
>.....I'm simply mentioning that one has to be aware of all factors.
>
I have tried to compare diligently since I acquired the rhizome. Looking
for
things like differences in the foliage (e.g. purple based on one and not the
other), fan growth including the shape and size since all rhizomes were
growing in the same soil, appearance of the rhizomes (I dug and planted
the grandmothers when I received the Argyle speciman). But I know the
clincher has to be the bloom if all else matches, so I looked and peered
in every nook and cranny of the blooms, but if someone had cut them and
placed them away from the rhizome plants, I know I couldn't have known
which came from which rhizome. Still, I realize positive identification can
be tricky (I observed Mike and Anne Lowe in the historic beds in Dallas -
had the most unflattering tendency to eavesdrop but found some of the
most interesting and entertaining moments of the convention doing so).
I was wondering if these should be kept separated for a season or two
and observed blooming again before I declare positive i.d. Or if there are
some subtle differences which I might specifically be looking to find that
might be unique to INDIAN CHIEF and not another. Truthfully, I have seen
several old ones in this area which are very similar, but not the same.
They have had a tendency to have more yellow, especially inside the
standards. They were, of course, not grown in identical conditions so
I'm not sure that proves much more than they didn't look the same.
I only wish the aunt and uncle could give me a name on the others, but
they have no suggestions. They other unknown I tried thinking it might
be AUTUMN ECHO, proved not very similar upon growing even down to
the foliage. Beware net photos!
But wouldn't it be a hoot if there were a Texan Indian Chief?
>
>It is indeed a commonly found historic in many parts of the country. Very
>popular, and always was. The thing would probably grow in a closed closet.
>Don't try to compost it, for it will colonize your compost pile. See the
HIPS
>page for a picture. http://www.worldiris.com.
>
True about the growth. It has to have a rather large area to spread
around in or it or it overruns the neighbors. I had checked the HIPS page
after tia y tio spoke their piece and that prompted me to go ahead and try
the named rhizome.
>That it is common may increase the overall chances that you inherited
INDIAN
>CHIEF. I would not say, however, that commoness of the hypothetical ID
>definitionally increased the chances of results of any ID analysis being
>correct. This is admittedly a fine distinction, but IDing is about fine
>distinctions.
>
I would definitely agree with the above. Increases the chances of having
INDIAN CHIEF, but not much use in a positive identification.
Thanks.
Donald Eaves
donald@eastland.net
Texas Zone 7, USA
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