Re: Re: HYB: breeding strategies
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  • Subject: Re: Re: HYB: breeding strategies
  • From: L* M* <l*@lock-net.com>
  • Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:15:59 -0400
The ideal long term goal is a whole slew of 'vale' tolerant TB beauties in all colors and patterns that bloom like crazy from spring to fall. Like that's going to happen! Realistically, I'll be thrilled if I get just one! The direction things are going lately, it's going to be yellow, cream or white. 

On 11/2/2011 1:31 PM, J. Griffin Crump wrote:

 I'm not so sure, though, about the
"getting where I want to go" part.
The B (Beauty) lines are combining whatever I can guess at being suitable from new intros that I have been buying each year, mostly from GBK crossed onto the "1990" models. I'm still working with the IMM X CELEBRATION SONG kids because they remain the most prolific batch of sibs from IMM, are mostly fertile both ways and carry forward the health/vigor from IMM. Some of the great grandkids from IMM are as modern in form and substance as the 2010 models (i.e., "weed junior"). As are a few of the MATRIX grandkids (FINAL EPISODE X (TEA LEAVES x MATRIX) kids).
Not sure that answers your question... ? When I cross back to the "90s" model cars to try to regain rebloom, I'm not sure what to expect. From what Tom has said and Chuck, too, I think, it will probably take several generations of line breeding after the initial back-cross, adding in the best of the beauty descendants. Assuming the initial back cross produces anything that is as strong a summer bloomer as IMM! A big "if".
This year's seeds include several backcrosses of IMM kids back onto IMM, plus a few of IMM grandkids back onto IMM. Some Beauty crosses from either VM or MATRIX crossed back to RENOWN.
But I think I may know what you mean - it wasn't fun putting pollen from not wide enough IMM children onto IMM just to recapture rebloom in a slightly 'better' form & barely more useful color. Not sure I have the enthusiasm to do another year of that type of cross, much less multiple generations. too grinding, not creative enough. The grandkids are a lot more fun, but less likely to recapture rebloom. 


Won't the end products look
like and perform like 1990 models?
I've reached that primary goal (at least for a few colors/patterns) during the first decade. Actually more like 15 yrs, but retired and got serious in 2011. This spring, the iris rows were mostly irises, not mostly daisies. ;-) Moving on now to rebloom. 

 I remember your stated goal of

producing irises that will do well in the "slough of despond". This
appears to be the same goal, but particularized to rebloomers. -- Griff


Linda Mann east TN USA zone 7

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