Re: Re: HYB: breeding strategies
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  • Subject: Re: Re: HYB: breeding strategies
  • From: &* G* C* <j*@cox.net>
  • Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:00:52 -0400
I'm glad to hear that you're crossing GBK stuff with your vale hardies. That sounds like a worthwhile way forward. Particularly glad to hear that you have grandkids of IMM and Matrix that are "as modern in form and substance as the 2010 models." Yes, that does answer my question. But why now go back to the 90s to regain rebloom? Why not try working in some recently developed rebloomers? -- Griff
-----Original Message----- From: Linda Mann 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 8:15 PM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB: breeding strategies

The ideal long term goal is a whole slew of 'vale' tolerant TB beauties
in all colors and patterns that bloom like crazy from spring to fall.
Like that's going to happen!  Realistically, I'll be thrilled if I get
just one!  The direction things are going lately, it's going to be
yellow, cream or white.

On 11/2/2011 1:31 PM, J. Griffin Crump wrote:

 I'm not so sure, though, about the
"getting where I want to go" part.


The B (Beauty) lines are combining whatever I can guess at being
suitable from new intros that I have been buying each year, mostly from
GBK crossed onto the "1990" models.  I'm still working with the IMM X
CELEBRATION SONG kids because they remain the most prolific batch of
sibs from IMM, are mostly fertile both ways and carry forward the
health/vigor from IMM.  Some of the great grandkids from IMM are as
modern in form and substance as the 2010 models (i.e., "weed junior").
As are a few of the MATRIX grandkids (FINAL EPISODE X (TEA LEAVES x
MATRIX) kids).

Not sure that answers your question... ?  When I cross back to the "90s"
model cars to try to regain rebloom, I'm not sure what to expect.  From
what Tom has said and Chuck, too, I think, it will probably take several
generations of line breeding after the initial back-cross, adding in the
best of the beauty descendants.  Assuming the initial back cross
produces anything that is as strong a summer bloomer as IMM!  A big "if".

This year's seeds include several backcrosses of IMM kids back onto IMM,
plus a few of IMM grandkids back onto IMM.   Some Beauty crosses from
either VM or MATRIX crossed back to RENOWN.

But I think I may know what you mean - it wasn't fun putting pollen from
not wide enough IMM children onto IMM just to recapture rebloom in a
slightly 'better' form & barely more useful color.  Not sure I have the
enthusiasm to do another year of that type of cross, much less multiple
generations.  too grinding, not creative enough.  The grandkids are a
lot more fun, but less likely to recapture rebloom.


Won't the end products look
like and perform like 1990 models?


I've reached that primary goal (at least for a few colors/patterns)
during the first decade.  Actually more like 15 yrs, but retired and got
serious in 2011.  This spring, the iris rows were mostly irises, not
mostly daisies.  ;-)  Moving on now to rebloom.

 I remember your stated goal of

producing irises that will do well in the "slough of despond". This
appears to be the same goal, but particularized to rebloomers. -- Griff


Linda Mann east TN USA zone 7

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