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- Subject: Re: iris DIGEST V1 #64
- From: A* V* <a*@montanasky.net>
- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:15:47 -0600
Hi I was lucky enough to attend class's given by both George and Margaret Sutton if you need advice on space ages and all the frills that come with them contact them also their son Mike is great on hyb flounces..... Sincerely Ann V Sent from my iPad On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:45 AM, iris-owner@hort.net (iris DIGEST) wrote: > > iris DIGEST Thursday, October 25 2012 Volume 01 : Number 064 > > > > In this issue: > > [iris] [HYB] Flounces > Re: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #63 > [iris] Need pictures of novely irises. > Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:05:24 -0600 > From: Debra Scott <proverb_31@hotmail.com> > Subject: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > > Ibm interested in breeding for flounces, especially flounces of a different > color than the primary flower color if possible. Ibm not even sure if it is > possible given that the flounce is commonly a petaloid of the same tissue type > as the primary petals but coming out of what would be the beard. Still, if we > can have standards & falls of different colors perhaps it might be possible to > develop a flounce of a different color. > > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of spaceage iris that consistently show > a flounce? Can any of you give suggestions for potential breeding stock for > flounces? > > I have tried to join the spaceage robin but there does not seem to be any > activity there in quite some time. > > Which hybridizers are working on spaceage iris these days? > > Any suggestions will be very much appreciated. > > Debra Scott > Timnath, CO z5 region 20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:21:29 -0700 > From: Gesine Lohr <gesine.lohr@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #63 > > Wups, sorry! I forgot that iris-hort doesn't attach pictures! > > Gesine > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:45 AM, iris DIGEST <iris-owner@hort.net> wrote: > >> >> iris DIGEST Wednesday, October 24 2012 Volume 01 : Number 063 >> >> >> >> In this issue: >> >> Re: [iris] Need pictures of novely irises - Victorine, Joseph's >> Coat Katkamier >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:59:52 -0700 >> From: Gesine Lohr <gesine.lohr@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [iris] Need pictures of novely irises - Victorine, Joseph's >> Coat Katkamier >> >> Hi Scarlett, >> >> Attached are a couple of photos of Victorine and Joseph's Coat Katkamier >> >> http://www.hips-roots.com/visitors/v-photos/vp-topframe.html >> scroll down to Joseph's Coat Katkamier >> >> Gesine >> >> ************************ >> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Jean Richter <richter@eecs.berkeley.edu >>> wrote: >> >>> You have pictures of Victorine and Joseph's Coat Katkamier, don't you? >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [iris] Need pictures of novely irises. >>> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:37:41 -0400 (EDT) >>> From: SDAyres2@aol.com >>> Reply-To: iris@hort.net >>> To: iris@hort.net >>> >>> Bonnie Nichols was gracious enough to give me a presentation on novelty >> and >>> space irises and judges training so I can place on the region's web >> site. >>> She presented it to our regional meeting this past weekend. It was >>> awesome and I now want to buy some of these irises. I have acquired >>> permission to use the pictures from the presentation for the website >> from >>> the >>> photographers except for a few pictures. Does anyone have any pictures >>> on the >>> following that I can use to replace the pictures in the presentation: >>> >>> Victorine (Lemon 1940) >>> Joseph's Coat >>> Flat Rate >>> >>> I find the concept of a variable color patterning seen in Joseph's Coat >>> fascinating. I would like pictures showing both color patterns seen in >>> Joseph's Coat. Bonnie said it was the only one showing variable color >>> patterning. >>> >>> I never knew flat tops went back so far. I thought Japanesque, 1922 and >>> Rhythm, 1950 looked very exotic. Do they grow in the desert? Are they >>> fertile? >>> >>> Scarlett Ayres >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of >> 2011_0508_151840AA Victorine CROP.jpg] >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of >> 2011_0508_151854AA Victorine closeup CROP.jpg] >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of >> 2011_0508_163951AA Josephs Coat Katkamier.jpg] >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of >> 2011_0508_164017AA Josephs Coat Katkamier WOW.jpg] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of iris DIGEST V1 #63 >> ************************* > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:37:41 -0400 (EDT) > From: SDAyres2@aol.com > Subject: [iris] Need pictures of novely irises. > > Bonnie Nichols was gracious enough to give me a presentation on novelty and > space irises and judges training so I can place on the region's web site. > She presented it to our regional meeting this past weekend. It was > awesome and I now want to buy some of these irises. I have acquired > permission to use the pictures from the presentation for the website from the > photographers except for a few pictures. Does anyone have any pictures on the > following that I can use to replace the pictures in the presentation: > > Victorine (Lemon 1940) > Joseph's Coat > Flat Rate > > I find the concept of a variable color patterning seen in Joseph's Coat > fascinating. I would like pictures showing both color patterns seen in > Joseph's Coat. Bonnie said it was the only one showing variable color > patterning. > > I never knew flat tops went back so far. I thought Japanesque, 1922 and > Rhythm, 1950 looked very exotic. Do they grow in the desert? Are they > fertile? > > Scarlett Ayres > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:05:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com> > Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > > The flounces would be same colour as the tissue they originate from. As > they originate from falls, they have same colour as falls. > > Yes they are coming from beard, but the beard is modified petal tissue > of falls. As a beard they are under control of tissue identity as > beard. When they become petaloids, they are under control of petal > genetics. > > Chuck Chapman > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Debra Scott <proverb_31@hotmail.com> > To: iris <iris@hort.net> > Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:22 pm > Subject: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > > Ibm interested in breeding for flounces, especially flounces of a > different > color than the primary flower color if possible. Ibm not even sure if > it is > possible given that the flounce is commonly a petaloid of the same > tissue type > as the primary petals but coming out of what would be the beard. Still, > if we > can have standards & falls of different colors perhaps it might be > possible to > develop a flounce of a different color. > > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of spaceage iris that > consistently show > a flounce? Can any of you give suggestions for potential breeding stock > for > flounces? > > I have tried to join the spaceage robin but there does not seem to be > any > activity there in quite some time. > > Which hybridizers are working on spaceage iris these days? > > Any suggestions will be very much appreciated. > > Debra Scott > Timnath, CO z5 region 20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:36:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > From: Paul Archer <pharcher@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > > It's only a consolation right now, but when my Iris database is complete and published it can be sorted to tell you which varieties have tints of color in the flounces different from the Falls. I have already noticed while entering them that there are a few that have horns with more intense anthocyanin that the Falls. Also some with deeper carotenoids than the norm when a white Fall patch is present. Just from memory though. > > It might be possible to transfer the intensity from the horn to the flounce much like the the beard color was "disassociated" from the petal color long ago. > > Right now it would take me a couple hours to find them as they are not in a compiled format yet and all aren't entered at the moment. They will hopefully all be entered by end of January, then a bit of editing and you/we will be able to search any character. > > > > - -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com> >> Sent: Oct 24, 2012 8:05 PM >> To: iris@hort.net >> Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces >> >> The flounces would be same colour as the tissue they originate from. As >> they originate from falls, they have same colour as falls. >> >> Yes they are coming from beard, but the beard is modified petal tissue >> of falls. As a beard they are under control of tissue identity as >> beard. When they become petaloids, they are under control of petal >> genetics. >> >> Chuck Chapman >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Debra Scott <proverb_31@hotmail.com> >> To: iris <iris@hort.net> >> Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:22 pm >> Subject: [iris] [HYB] Flounces >> >> Ibm interested in breeding for flounces, especially flounces of a >> different >> color than the primary flower color if possible. Ibm not even sure if >> it is >> possible given that the flounce is commonly a petaloid of the same >> tissue type >> as the primary petals but coming out of what would be the beard. Still, >> if we >> can have standards & falls of different colors perhaps it might be >> possible to >> develop a flounce of a different color. >> >> Does anyone have a comprehensive list of spaceage iris that >> consistently show >> a flounce? Can any of you give suggestions for potential breeding stock >> for >> flounces? >> >> I have tried to join the spaceage robin but there does not seem to be >> any >> activity there in quite some time. >> >> Which hybridizers are working on spaceage iris these days? >> >> Any suggestions will be very much appreciated. >> >> Debra Scott >> Timnath, CO z5 region 20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:05:39 -0400 (EDT) > From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com> > Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > > There is transition tissue as beard changes to a flounce. As you have > noted, this can have intermediate colours between beard and falls. > But only in this small area where beard changes to a flounce. When > flounce is a full flounce it will be essentially fall tissue. > > If a Space age feature is a horn projection it can have a greater > intensity of fall colour, as this will be an extended transition > tissue. > > Chuck Chapman > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Archer <pharcher@mindspring.com> > To: iris <iris@hort.net> > Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:41 pm > Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces > > It's only a consolation right now, but when my Iris database is > complete and published it can be sorted to tell you which varieties > have tints of color in the flounces different from the Falls. I have > already noticed while entering them that there are a few that have > horns with more intense anthocyanin that the Falls. Also some with > deeper carotenoids than the norm when a white Fall patch is present. > Just from memory though. > > It might be possible to transfer the intensity from the horn to the > flounce much like the the beard color was "disassociated" from the > petal color long ago. > > Right now it would take me a couple hours to find them as they are not > in a compiled format yet and all aren't entered at the moment. They > will hopefully all be entered by end of January, then a bit of editing > and you/we will be able to search any character. > > > > - -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com> >> Sent: Oct 24, 2012 8:05 PM >> To: iris@hort.net >> Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces >> >> The flounces would be same colour as the tissue they originate from. > As >> they originate from falls, they have same colour as falls. >> >> Yes they are coming from beard, but the beard is modified petal tissue >> of falls. As a beard they are under control of tissue identity as >> beard. When they become petaloids, they are under control of petal >> genetics. >> >> Chuck Chapman >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Debra Scott <proverb_31@hotmail.com> >> To: iris <iris@hort.net> >> Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:22 pm >> Subject: [iris] [HYB] Flounces >> >> Ibm interested in breeding for flounces, especially flounces of a >> different >> color than the primary flower color if possible. Ibm not even sure if >> it is >> possible given that the flounce is commonly a petaloid of the same >> tissue type >> as the primary petals but coming out of what would be the beard. > Still, >> if we >> can have standards & falls of different colors perhaps it might be >> possible to >> develop a flounce of a different color. >> >> Does anyone have a comprehensive list of spaceage iris that >> consistently show >> a flounce? Can any of you give suggestions for potential breeding > stock >> for >> flounces? >> >> I have tried to join the spaceage robin but there does not seem to be >> any >> activity there in quite some time. >> >> Which hybridizers are working on spaceage iris these days? >> >> Any suggestions will be very much appreciated. >> >> Debra Scott >> Timnath, CO z5 region 20 > > ------------------------------ > > End of iris DIGEST V1 #64 > ************************* > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@hort.net with the > message text UNSUBSCRIBE IRIS-DIGEST --------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@hort.net with the message text UNSUBSCRIBE IRIS
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