Re: Re: classifying as a Rebloomer
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  • Subject: Re: Re: classifying as a Rebloomer
  • From: P* <4*@rewrite.hort.net>
  • Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 17:47:04 -0400
I see your concerns. As a hybridizer and seller it has to be maddening for you to see the Spring Gardens etc do their trickery.
In my estimation the trickery is not battled by selectively suppressing the tally of rebloom occurrences, "once off'ers" included. If anything, the more the occurrence data we have the more we can gain insight into what is actually going on. I would think being able to show the public that the average per reporter rebloom rate for Victoria Falls in zone 4 is one year in twenty is very useful information if "reliability" in zone 4 is the issue. But how would the RIS know that, much less credibly stand by it, if it does not have the proper data? If "once off'ers" are determined before the aggregate analysis and not after?
I hear you - but Spring Gardens buyers don't look for RIS data, they just look for certain keywords. Unfortunately we can only squabble over a semantic nightmare there. An iris can rebloom but it might not be a rebloomer. It can be reblooming this fall but it is not a reblooming iris. It is a dependable rebloomer in Zone 5 but not reliable in Zone 4. It is theoretically possible to put these word genies back in the lamp, like Realtors did with realtors. If you are determined I truly wish you all the best. It's going to be hard. Maybe combine resources with the other reblooming plant interest groups: daylilies etc? 

So the problem is not the tally per se. The problem is how we talk about it.

Shaub Dunkley, Z6b NC

On 10/2/2014 9:14 PM, Chuck Chapman wrote:
For those people who have iris that rebloom regularly for them, they report. And then information is properly recorded. And expectations of various rebloom in various zones can be relied on. Once in 20 years in zone 4 is not information that can be counted on.
When you check the "rebloom" iris offered by Spring Garden and ilk, you find that they have used rebloom information from list , sometime along the process. When checking out some of their listing I found information such as one rebloomer sold in Canada was recorded as a one time event, of rebloom in Australia. No other rebloom reported. This iris (along with many other on their list) will never rebloom in Canada. Some don't even make it through first year. Many people by these collections, both in Canada and USA. When they don't have rebloom they then can give up on rebloomers. Several such comments on "Iris lovers" recently are very likely from this sort of practice.
So a "once off" rebloom from one iris in one location, when reported as a reblooming iris can have unwanted effects. Even if it is once every three years , it gives useful information. Once in 20, of no value, except to be used as misleading information from the "Spring Gardens " of the world. And you can bet that they will use it. 

Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: Betty Wilkerson <101n@rewrite.hort.net>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: classifying as a Rebloomer
May be a matter of neuances, but . . . just because something doesn't rebloom 
in your yard doesn't mean they aren't rebloomers.   My opinion. 'Forever
Blue' doesn't rebloom here, but I don't question that it is a rebloomer . . . 
for you and others.



<<A once off event  of rebloom is exciting, and
worth noting , but
doesn't make that plant a rebloomer for  me.  I have over
the years
have had a good number of  oncers put up an out of season or even
twice
a year bloom. these things can and do happen. <<<<


Doesn't make it a
rebloomer  as far as I'm concerned.>>


'Victoria Falls' did fall bloom for me
in Alvaton, in the 90's. It grew over 40 inches tall and I quit counting at 18 buds. Don't think it has done this since. It's my opinion that it's been 
proven to be a plus when breeding rebloomers.  It contributed height,
branching and improved flower form. Maybe there was another path? Maybe even 
a better path, but nothing else has proven to measure up.


Betty Wilkerson
Zone 6 KY
autmirislvr@aol.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck
Chapman <db4f61431@rewrite.hort.net>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct
2, 2014 7:16 am
Subject: [iris] Re: classifying as a Rebloomer


Bloom
triggers for plants are complicated, and you can occasionally get
misfires. A
number of years ago in our area some apple trees  bloomed
in fall. But a once
off occurrence. Rebloom yes, but it doesn't make
these apple trees
rebloomers.

 Right now I have  Victoria Falls in bloom, and on a 50" stalk,
standing up straight and tall. But the only time it has fall bloomed in
over
20 years of growing it. I'm not going to send in a rebloom report
on it as it
is a once off event. About 4 years ago I had a fall bloom
on a clump of Best
Bet. Again a  once off event as it also has done
this once in about 20 years.
I'm not going to list them as rebloomers
for me in my zone 4 garden. And
having them listed as  zone 4
rebloomers would be inaccurate and deceptive.
Not a behaviour you can
rely on.

On the other hand, my SDB Juiced Up is
reblooming now on several
clumps. I first had rebloom on  Juiced Up about
2006, after initial
bloom in 1998. It was interesting, but even if it had a
rebloom parent,
that still didn't make it a rebloomer. But in the past  four
years it
has rebloomed  three times. I'll now report it as a rebloomer for my
climate zone.

A once off event  of rebloom is exciting, and worth noting ,
but
doesn't make that plant a rebloomer for  me.  I have over the years
have had a good number of  oncers put up an out of season or even twice
a
year bloom. these things can and do happen. Doesn't make it a
rebloomer  as
far as I'm concerned.

Chuck Chapman
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