Re: HYB: Seasons, VE, E, Etc.
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For a different perspectitive on tender varieties, consider from an
Australian view. Very little of the country is colder than a zone 8. Most
TBs are grown in zone 8-10. It is therefore impossible to trial irises
within the country at USA type climates. I'm deliberately breeding (amongst
other things) for VE blommers, as for many Australians the problem is not
late frosts but early heat waves. There quite a lot of people who won't buy
Late bloomers because there's too much risk of their being cooked. This
offers some challenges for me as we can have light frost up to the end of
the TB bloom season. 10th of December is our latest frost, but we could also
have a semi-heat wave in mid October. In areas like Perth and the Adelaide
plains there may be no frosts in a mild winter but from early November
onwards they can be extremely hot (even in a normal year), and extreme temps
from October are not unknown.
Barry Blyht's VE are most useful in Australia.
Colleen Modra
South Aust zone8/9
(definitely a zone9 this winter, but very damp)
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From: <wmoores@watervalley.net>
To: <iris-talk@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-talk] HYB: Seasons, VE, E, Etc.
>
>
> >
> > << Irises listed as VE or E for their bloom season are not for this
> > climate. >>
> >
> > Walter, doesn't this severly restrict a rebloom program?
> >
> > Betty / Got rain, but still down over 7 inches for the year, in the
> > lovely Bowling Green KY USA zone 6
>
> How?
>
> I have dabbled with rebloomers since the '60's and have not
> noted any restrictions. Those VE or E varieties rarely bloom here,
> and I wouldn't want to use them anyway because of their
> tenderness. Neither do I save pollen from them.
>
> It is also true that some registered as VE or E are not early in
> other climates. Conversely, some M's and ML's are EM for me.
>
> Last spring when I doubted that I had the true SWING AND
> SWAY, it definitely was VE here, but not registered thusly. It had
> been around here for three or four years before it bloomed the first
> time this past spring. We had no winter and no late cold snaps, so
> it was allowed to express itself. As I recall with S & S, of those
> who reported on it, they said it was VE or E for them, also. S & S
> is registered M by Virginia Messick.
>
> Lately, I have been giving MATRIX a workout in the quest for
> better formed rebloomers. I got UNCHAINED MELODY for this
> purpose, too. They both bloom midseason to late midseason for
> me. MATRIX is registered M, and that is correct.
>
> I have used EARL OF ESSEX over and over again for plic
> rebloomers. It is registered as E, but is M or ML here.
>
> BEST BET is registered as E, and I was afraid of buying it
> when it first came out. It has proved to be EM or M here. It does
> take years for it to settle down and not bloom out. It has shown no
> bloom-out trends in the last three or four years. It does not give
> bloom-out genes to what I have crossed it with.
>
> I guess 'you gotta grow 'em to know 'em.'
>
>
> Walter Moores
> Enid Lake, MS 7/8 USA
>
>
>
