Re: CULT: Late Planting?

Ellen  --  Heaving is a problem in my area, which is on the line between
zones 6 and 7.  We get a lot of freeze and thaw some winters.  If I have had
to plant late, I cover the beds with pine straw (white pine needles) at
least 3" deep after the first freeze to try to deter thawing.  (We have more
pine than corn here, Arnold.) If I spot rhizomes early on that are starting
to pop up, or that I know have very little roots to start with, I cut 6-8
inches off the "elbow" of a wire coat hanger and bracket the rhizome,
pinning it to the ground.  That works every time and does no harm to the
plant.

--  Griff, along the tidal Potomac, who hopes Bill Smoot gets his power back
soon.

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> iris DIGEST         Monday, September 29 2003         Volume 01 : Number
048
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> In this issue:
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>         [iris] Re: OT-CHAT: Isabel?
>         Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>         Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>         [iris] Cult-Critters -- OT but my gosh don't torture squirrels
with gum
>         [iris] ADMIN: Digests
>         Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>         [iris] CULT: lets talk about browns and brokens
>         [iris] CULT:HYB: early germination as a reselect
>         [iris] What kind of iris are these
>         Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:52:44 -0400
> From: <billsmoot@cox.net>
> Subject: [iris] Re: OT-CHAT: Isabel?
>
> Hi All,
>
>      We're still recovering from Isabel down here in the Norfolk, Virginia
Beach area.  Trees are down everywhere! I have been without power since last
Thursday here in Portsmouth, VA, but I understand that power is slowly being
restored elsewhere.  One of our iris society member had a tree fall on the
end of their home and now it is condemned. I was much luckier!  Trees fell
down in my lot, but off into a vacant lot behind my home.  Lots of branches
down in the garden though.  Have already put out 64 bags of debris. One of
our major tunnels is flooded, so traffic in and out of Norfolk is really a
challenge.  We're all just thankful that it was a cat 1 storm and did not
come ashore as a cat 3 or 4 storm.  I understand from those who have been
down to Nags Head that it really looks different.  The storm created a new
inlet about 10 ft deep and 40 ft long.
>
> Bill Smoot
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:58:56 EDT
> From: BigAlligator@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2003 9:36:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> hensler@povn.com writes:
>
> > For bearded irises the cure was
> > simply a fist sized rock placed over the rhizome.
>
> Christy,
>      That probably would have done okay, but when planting earlier
basically
> eliminated the problem...
>
> Mark A. Cook
> BigAlligator@aol.com
> USDA Zone 8b   Sunset Zone 28
> Dunnellon, Florida USA.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:38:45 -0500
> From: "Charlotte Holte" <cholte@wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here in Wisconsin after Sept 1 I just routinely put a rock on the rhizome
as
> a precaution.  No squirrel activity and the frost does not heave the Iris.
>
> Char, New Berlin WI
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BigAlligator@aol.com>
> To: <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT: Late Planting?
>
>
> > In a message dated 9/28/2003 9:36:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > hensler@povn.com writes:
> >
> > > For bearded irises the cure was
> > > simply a fist sized rock placed over the rhizome.
> >
> > Christy,
> >      That probably would have done okay, but when planting earlier
> basically
> > eliminated the problem...
> >
> > Mark A. Cook
> > BigAlligator@aol.com
> > USDA Zone 8b   Sunset Zone 28
> > Dunnellon, Florida USA.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gesine Lohr <kathges@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [iris] Cult-Critters -- OT but my gosh don't torture squirrels
with gum
>
> Hi all,
>
> This may be considered OT, but I was just quite
> shocked to read someone suggesting giving chewing
> gum to squirrels, so they'd "get constipated and die".
> This is a very cruel death!
>
> We have a squirrel problem in our tiny yard (our iris
> are in pots, neighbor w/big yard has giant oak tree),
> but we'd never dream of doing something that would
> cause a long slow death to squirrels.
>
> Please *think* about what you're doing to some
> critter!
>
> Gesine
>
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:24:42 -0700
> From: John I Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> Subject: [iris] ADMIN: Digests
>
> Several of the Digests were not sent out last week because of some
> virus attacks.
>
> Chris writes:
>
> It looks like the messages were in the queue waiting to be sent out, but
> some systems were down and the mail software got stuck waiting for them.
>
> This is a bug that was introduced in the most recent version of
> sendmail;
> I've installed the new patch to solve the problem:
> Chris
>
> Please let me know (privately) if you think the list or digests are not
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> Thx
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:24:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ellen Gallagher <ellengalla@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>
> - --- BigAlligator@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > For bearded irises the cure was
> > > simply a fist sized rock placed over the rhizome.
> >
> > Christy,
> >    That probably would have done okay, but when planting
> > earlier basically
> > eliminated the problem...
>
> Mark, sounds like you had Fall frost heaves in Kentucky? Early
> summer planting might or might not have 'kept' your bearded
> rhizomes in place without rocks on them.
>
> Spring (end of April thru May)is the season for frost heaves in
> cold country. The last two years, I had some bearded (only about
> 7 or 8) rise up but none actually came out of the ground...they
> sort of tilted a bit. I don't plant any rhizomes with rocks on
> them. I did try to put rocks on the ones that tilted last spring
> but either the rocks were not heavy enough because the same ones
> tended to do it again.
>
> Ellen /NH / USDA Zone 3
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:08:10 -0400
> From: "Showtime Farm" <showtime@bbtel.com>
> Subject: [iris] CULT: lets talk about browns and brokens
>
> (what is the proper greeting for opening a post....?)
>
> A while back some of y'all were on one of those really technical
discussions
> about the structure of color as expressed in iris, I think it might have
> been on plicata...  and someone said something to the effect of  'browns
and
> blacks are really multiple layers of colors... but I won't go into that
now'
>
> So when I was going through my notebook this week lining up my p's and q's
I
> noticed the description (as it appears in my notes) of CHOCOLATE MARMALADE
> includes: "F. dark burnt orange chocolate rim blending from orange to
yellow
> to white at beard".
> The way I read is, white ground with yellow plic markings, covered by
orange
> plic markings, covered by burnt chocolate orange markings.  In essence
three
> layers of plicata markings on what would otherwise be a white fall...
>
> Is this kinda what you meant when you said the browns and blacks were
layers
> of color?
>
> I was also wondering what has been decided/ hypothesized about broken
color
> irises?  They appear to have some layering happening, but are they an
> expression of plicata or something entirely different?
>
> (My computer is not allowing me to do anything online beyond e'mail, so I
> can't just look it up in the archives....)
>
> Isn't it funny how we pick the same type of flowers over and over?  I was
> noticing that all the plicatas that I have ordered individually all have
> 'solid' standards and edged falls....  the only one I have that doesn't
fit
> that description is JESSE'S SONG who came as part of a set and I just
don't
> like as well... Aren't I funny.
>
> Christian
> ky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:52:11 -0400
> From: "Showtime Farm" <showtime@bbtel.com>
> Subject: [iris] CULT:HYB: early germination as a reselect
>
> hey gang,
>
> I have a sprout. (this is my first germination! <grin> you should have
seen
> me bouncing around the house when I found the little white pimple on the
> seed..)  It sprouted last Monday and so far is just root, but it is
already
> a full week ahead of any other.
>
> Given that there has been some discussion on getting earlier germination
and
> earlier bloom, I wondered if anyone has done any breeding with early
> germination as a reselect criteria.  I was thinking that if you took say
the
> first five germinants (out of a crop of seeds of approximately equal ages)
> and set them aside, then when they bloomed did crosses between them, and
> reselected for the first five germinants from each of those crosses and
> crossed among them.... etc, ad nauseum,  wouldn't that tend to move your
> germination dates back?
>
> Of course I realise that that wouldn't work for breeders who feel like
they
> are working in a time crunch and just want to speed up the mechanics of
the
> crosses they are already making....
>
> Just a thought...
> Christian
> ky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:09:50 -0500
> From: Linda Harrington <lharrington@wbltd.com>
> Subject: [iris] What kind of iris are these
>
> What kind of iris are these?  Siberian? Spuria?  I couldn't tell from
> the photos.  They are beautiful.
> Linda
> Zone 7 / 8a
>
> ""Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: crook <zone1_5@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] check this siite/ great irises
>
>  Hi All:
>  Just thought I`d post a link to some great Iris pics.
> well worth viewing.
>  http://www.coastbotanicalgarden.org/harry.htm
>  Enjoy
>  Darm""
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name
of lharrington.vcf]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:07:18 -0500
> From: "Arnold Koekkoek" <koekkoek@mtcnet.net>
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT:  Late Planting?
>
> I find I get good results in preventing frost heave if I mulch the summer
> plantings with enough of my corn stalks (saved from my vegetable garden)
to
> keep the rhizomes shaded all winter.  Just need to keep the winter sun off
of
> them, so the ground doesn't thaw.  The things that have to be planted late
I
> got 100% success last year by putting them in pots, getting them growing
under
> lights in the house, then planting pot and all in the garden, and covering
> with that layer of mulch.
> Arnold
>
> Arnold & Carol Koekkoek
> 38 7th Street, NE
> Sioux Center, IA 51250
> e-mail  koekkoek@mtcnet.net
>
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