RE: HYB: "Apogon hybrid"

Apogon, Oncocyclus, and Pogoniris were three of the largest categories that Dykes used to sort the Iris species. He used the rank of section for each of these. Dykes monograph was a tour de force of its day. But we know about twice as many Iris species as he knew in 1914 and we are still discovering on average about one a year for the last twenty five years and it is likely that will continue. Rodionenko, then Kohlein, then Mathew each produced monographs that improved on this sorting of species and the categories were somewhat rearranged. Mathew used subgenus as his highest rank which is a step above section. He sorted the sections Oncocyclus and Pogoniris(which he calls section Iris) under the Subgenus Iris and placed the Section Apogon(which he renamed Section Limniris) under the Subgenus Limniris along with the Section Evansia(which he renamed Section Lophiris). One reason for the renaming is because the groupings change with so many new species being added. Limniris literally
 means Pond Iris. Even though some of these dont live in ponds and occur in deserts most people would easily recognize plants as belonging to this group. Of course even though Apogon meant literally without a beard there is a species that is a apogon that has a beard.  Both Oncocyclus and Pogoniris have beards but the type of beards on Oncocyclus is often quite different than those of section Iris. Sometimes the term Eupogon or true bearded Iris was used for Section Iris. But the beard on Oncocyclus is still a beard and both oncos and pogons are within the same subgenus. I hope this long explanation doesnt add to the confusion. When the work being done in England is finally published there may be a reshuffling again of names and ranks but the Iris will stay the same. Books dont change so as one looks at older literature older outdated names are there. But the Iris society has not kept pace with current science. These old terms are quaint but dont reflex our most current
 understanding. Being a bibliophile, I look looking at old tomes showing trees that grow sheep as fruit and various sea monsters of the past but it worries me that the Iris society seems reluctant to learn newer information and utilize it. Does the perpetuation of these historical terms impede our learning of present day usage? When we use them do we sound authoritative or dated?


Dana Brown <danabrown@peoplepc.com> wrote:Ok, I am really confused. In The World of Iris, the Arils are not listed
with the Apogons and are referred to as bearded iris. I realize this was
not the original question but I would like to make sure that others do not
add the Arils, either the regelias, which are actually classed as Hexapogons
or the Oncocyclus which are their own subsection to the Apogon section.

Thanks,

Dana 

Dana Brown
AIS Region 17 RVP
Director ASI, TBIS
AIS, ASI, MIS, RIS, SPIS, TBIS
Malevil Iris Gardens
www.malevil-iris.com 
Lubbock, TX
Zone 7 USDA, Zone 10 Sunset
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Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: "Apogon hybrid"

In a message dated 9/25/05 10:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
danabrown@peoplepc.com writes:

<< Just one small thing....aril iris do have beards, many of them have large
bushy beards, some even have beards on the standards!! >>

Yes, certainly, but I distinguish those from the beards of of the typical 
"pogons," so I said "as such." I also did not mention the "bearded" Juno 
species. 

Cordially,

Anner Whitehead
Richmond VA USA

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